IDA remnants OBS-nowcasts (storm total rain and/or unusual flooding, wind damage-power outage, gusts ~45+ MPH) Wed-Thu morning Sept 1-2, 2021

[MJO812]

I'm driving my fiancee to work and all I see are abandoned vehicles on the side of the roads. Insane..

[matt8204]

Managed to drive to work from West Orange to Little Falls using back roads.  No flooding but lots of debris in the road and several abandoned cars from last night.

[Brian5671]

5 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I'm driving my fiancee to work and all I see are abandoned vehicles on the side of the roads. Insane..

busy couple of weeks for insurance companies-most of these flood cars are total losses.

[matt8204]

Just now, Brian5671 said:

busy couple of weeks for insurance companies-most of these flood cars are total losses.

My agency has filed about a dozen claims already this morning.  I'm kind of shocked that we're not getting even more calls.  Maybe people are still trying to gather themselves.

[Intensewind002]

Finished with 1.89” of rain in lindenhurst, happy my home didn’t wind up flooded out or wrecked by a tornado like many in nyc nj and pa, but i hope the recovery process isnt too bad for those that did get impacted

[cleetussnow]

58 minutes ago, wdrag said:

Check this out from the 12z cycle yesterday, available by 1530z when less than 0.10" had occurred NYC while I was near 0.9" in extreme nw NJ. 

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/href/?model=href&product=snowfall_024h_mean&sector=conus

Change the date and cycle. Change the area of interest down from CONUS to NORTHEAST.  Then go to precip and review 24 hour MEAN at the three 24 hour intervals provided.  Then click MAX and check for the same time. I do the same for snow.  Also, can look at hourly mean ptype/amount, ditto wind (found under FIRE).  It's a tool...imperfect but I and believe WPC think it's the best available, for now. 

EC has a lot of fans but is inadequate when it comes to convective release (secondary imo to the NCEP GFS). 

ANY questions: write me.  I could conduct a ZOOM on how to use all these tools in predictive sense, but all who participate must have pretty good internet. 

yes please re:zoom

 

[STORMANLI]

3.85"

[wdrag]

1 minute ago, cleetussnow said:

yes please re:zoom

 

We'll need some sort of organized program.  Either that or we can conference 2 -4 folks somehow. Am not a super specialist on technical but can get it done.  Not til after 3P. 

[uncle W]

55 minutes ago, doncat said:

8.10" total here on west shore si... Hope all are ok. Most impressive rainfall in my 61 years.

saw some abandoned cars on Albee ave and Drumgool rd...the little creek that runs there flooded down the block from P>S> 36 on Jefferson Blvd...

[Poker2015]

32 minutes ago, FPizz said:

My official gauge was 8.81".  Crazy storm.   I've never seen the area this bad either.  Overall made out ok here.  4" of water in the basement, but that is gone now.  Have 6 industrial fans going now.  My pool looks like chocolate milk though since so much runoff ran into it.  Very grateful it wasn't worse.

9.37" here on the other side of town...no water in the basement, luckily

my pool looks great besides a bunch of leaves in it...

helping out my neighbor with a flooded basement and a buddy down the street we ripped out his carpet this morning.

no cornhole tonight

[RU848789]

11 hours ago, RU848789 said:

Latest Raritan flooding forecast is several feet less than it was for Floyd, which had record flooding on the Raritan. Will still be major flooding, though according to the graphic, assuming that graphic is correct.  

In case nobody updated this (haven't checked), FYI, forecast for flooding for the Raritan increased to just about the same record level seen for Floyd in 1999, at least at Bound Brook, peaking around 1-2 pm, then declining, as per the graphic. Let's hope Bound Brook, in particular, can handle this (although evacuations have been ordered - let's hope the mitigations they put in place keep it less severe than back then). Flooding on the Delaware at Lambertville will reach moderate flood stage (looks the same as last night's prediction) and will reach major stage on the Passaic at Little Falls, as per the graphics below (the link allows anyone to look at predicted flood levels for any river in the area). Most roads have improved and are reopening, but not River Rd or 18 and 1 in many locations, especially near streams/rivers. Horrible storm with so many tragic outcomes (8 dead in NY/NJ, so far and incredible damage all over). Nobody could've anticipated 8-12" of rain and so many tornadoes, even with predictions of 3-6" of rain and possible severe storms.

https://water.weather.gov/ahps/region.php?rfc=marfc

Also, my very good friend is a firefighter in Hillsborough (certainly my personal hero for today) and was doing water rescues all night, but they couldn't reach 2 who died, as per the report linked below. Helicopter rescues being made in some towns in NJ and more are missing. Just tragic.

https://www.nj.com/weather/2021/09/nj-weather-2-people-die-in-submerged-vehicles-in-hillsborough-during-ida-flooding.html

[LibertyBell]

53 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Yeah the crazy thing is this was just the remnants of a storm barely energized by a trough and we still got Floyd like rains. 

It lasted maybe 6hrs. 

What will happen when a strong hurricane actually impacts us directly.

I think the word "remnants" is extremely deceptive as the amount of rainfall that will fall has nothing to do with the intensity of the storm, it has to do with a variety of external factors.  Some of the most destructive and damaging storms were 40 mph TS or even TD.  Intensity <> Impact

[RU848789]

1 hour ago, wdrag said:

Check this out from the 12z cycle yesterday, available by 1530z when less than 0.10" had occurred NYC while I was near 0.9" in extreme nw NJ. 

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/href/?model=href&product=snowfall_024h_mean&sector=conus

Change the date and cycle. Change the area of interest down from CONUS to NORTHEAST.  Then go to precip and review 24 hour MEAN at the three 24 hour intervals provided.  Then click MAX and check for the same time. I do the same for snow.  Also, can look at hourly mean ptype/amount, ditto wind (found under FIRE).  It's a tool...imperfect but I and believe WPC think it's the best available, for now. 

EC has a lot of fans but is inadequate when it comes to convective release (secondary imo to the NCEP GFS). 

ANY questions: write me.  I could conduct a ZOOM on how to use all these tools in predictive sense, but all who participate must have pretty good internet. 

Great stuff Walt - this is why it's so great to have a pro like you (and many others) on the board.

Also, look at that graphic vs. the radar composite - fairly decent match...

[the_other_guy]

Saw Mill River just a wee bit out of its banks

[FPizz]

Looks like the somerset patriots (aa yanks) will be off for a bit.

 

[jm1220]

I wish there was a way we could capture all this water we keep getting here and ship it out west to where it’s needed and they’re dealing with one of their worst droughts on record. 

[Stormlover74]

 

 

[jm1220]

4 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

 

 

Wow. Horrendous that most deaths from Ida will likely be in this area. Goes to show how water is by far the deadliest aspect of any storm. 

[Allsnow]

Just now, jm1220 said:

Wow. Horrendous that most deaths from Ida will likely be in this area. Goes to show how water is by far the deadliest aspect of any storm. 

Way too many people out on the roads last night. I thought the nws and local media did a great job explaining the dangers 

[Stormlover74]

 

 

 

[Stormlover74]

5 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

Way too many people out on the roads last night. I thought the nws and local media did a great job explaining the dangers 

Sadly many stayed home and died in their basements too

[LibertyBell]

13 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

I wish there was a way we could capture all this water we keep getting here and ship it out west to where it’s needed and they’re dealing with one of their worst droughts on record. 

Theoretically it could probably be captured, then it would need to be cleaned and treated and shipped through some sort of water pipeline lol.

 

[LibertyBell]

Just now, Stormlover74 said:

Sadly many stayed home and died in their basements too

This was a Harvey like situation.  There are no simple answers.....you can't simply shelter in place.  Staying off the roads does no good if your home isn't safe either.

People like to comfort themselves with mindless cliches like "Turn around dont drown".....but what if there is no place left to go?

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

 

 

 

Too bad, I'd want to see that

[dan11295]

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/5-dead-in-flooded-elizabeth-nj-apartment-complex

 

[the_other_guy]

8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

This was a Harvey like situation.  There are no simple answers.....you can't simply shelter in place.  Staying off the roads does no good if your home isn't safe either.

People like to comfort themselves with mindless cliches like "Turn around dont drown".....but what if there is no place left to go?

It’s a sad situation…And of course that usually affects the most vulnerable.

 

In that part of queens you have a lot of immigrants, don’t speak English, Don’t know the rules, they live in illegal basement apartments.

If I had to bet… they had no way out

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, jfklganyc said:

It’s a sad situation…And of course that usually affects the most vulnerable.

 

In that part of queens you have a lot of immigrants, don’t speak English, Don’t know the rules, they live in illegal basement apartments.

If I had to bet… they had no way out

Probably a lot of people crowded in together too.  They probably didn't even know this was coming.

 

[psv88]

4 minutes ago, jfklganyc said:

It’s a sad situation…And of course that usually affects the most vulnerable.

 

In that part of queens you have a lot of immigrants, don’t speak English, Don’t know the rules, they live in illegal basement apartments.

If I had to bet… they had no way out

With rainfall rates of 3-4" in one hour, you can get stuck in traffic when the streets are clear and within 30 min they are under water. Sometimes there is nothing you can do. 

[MJO812]

23 people have died in NJ and NY combined

 

RIP

 

No one thought it was going to be this bad. What a disaster.

[dmillz25]

Just now, MJO812 said:

23 people have died in NJ and NY combined

 

RIP

 

No one thought it was going to be this bad. What a disaster.

Wow thats sad