IDA remnants OBS-nowcasts (storm total rain and/or unusual flooding, wind damage-power outage, gusts ~45+ MPH) Wed-Thu morning Sept 1-2, 2021

[CoastalWx]

The high res models did a good job highlighting extreme rainfall in a short period. I thought the HRRR did well. It may have been a hair too far north, but what tends to happen is that these convective complexes ride the warm front. Usually when this happens, the heaviest rains sort of stay a bit more south of where models place this. I find this happens more in the warm season. Forky was talking about this in our forum, yesterday. So take the HRRR and move it like 15 miles south....boom. We had amounts to my south of 6-8"+ too in about 3-5 hrs. 

[NJwx85]

I still cannot get over the tornado in Gloucester County, NJ. Yes, we know that we can get tornadoes in NJ and NY but they are never this violent, this long tracked or as wide. 

[LibertyBell]

That was a certified wedge tornado.....never seen one of those up here before

 

[NJwx85]

49 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

 

 

One of the main problems is that people don't listen to warnings but the biggest problem is that a majority of the public doesn't even understand what they mean or the difference between a watch and a warning.

A large percentage doesn't understand the difference between straight line wind damage and a tornado either.

[Cfa]

I’m in Queens and some blocks look like they were hit by a literal tsunami, filthy cars and debris all over the place, and then the next block over it looks as if nothing happened. The LIE is covered in sand/mud/rocks with muddy cars strewn about, I’ve never seen anything like this.

[gravitylover]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

I wish there was a way we could capture all this water we keep getting here and ship it out west to where it’s needed and they’re dealing with one of their worst droughts on record. 

One of my lifetime dreams is to see a continental water delivery system. A series of pipelines connecting the major drainages so water can be moved from places with too much to places that don't have enough. Water for people, water for agriculture and water for industry. I know - treatment, etc. but where there's a will there's a way. Think of the millions of jobs it would create, think of places that are getting harder and harder to live or places that are burning to the ground. I know it won't ever happen but it's something I've been thinking about for 40 years...

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

One of my lifetime dreams is to see a continental water delivery system. A series of pipelines connecting the major drainages so water can be moved from places with too much to places that don't have enough. Water for people, water for agriculture and water for industry. I know - treatment, etc. but where there's a will there's a way. Think of the millions of jobs it would create, think of places that are getting harder and harder to live or places that are burning to the ground. I know it won't ever happen but it's something I've been thinking about for 40 years...

Yeah it's a lot better than what the agriculture industry does now out there which is pretty shitty and reckless (drill deep down to get water and destroy the environment in the process.)

 

[Whineminster]

1 minute ago, gravitylover said:

One of my lifetime dreams is to see a continental water delivery system. A series of pipelines connecting the major drainages so water can be moved from places with too much to places that don't have enough. Water for people, water for agriculture and water for industry. I know - treatment, etc. but where there's a will there's a way. Think of the millions of jobs it would create, think of places that are getting harder and harder to live or places that are burning to the ground. I know it won't ever happen but it's something I've been thinking about for 40 years...

We do it with oil, moving it all across the country in pipelines...... No reason we can't do it for water, but we would need much larger pumps and pipes.  I wouldn't bother treating it until it needs to be drank.... Just dump it into lake Mead lol

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

One of my lifetime dreams is to see a continental water delivery system. A series of pipelines connecting the major drainages so water can be moved from places with too much to places that don't have enough. Water for people, water for agriculture and water for industry. I know - treatment, etc. but where there's a will there's a way. Think of the millions of jobs it would create, think of places that are getting harder and harder to live or places that are burning to the ground. I know it won't ever happen but it's something I've been thinking about for 40 years...

also the shitty fossil fuel cartels who waste a ton of water.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, Whineminster said:

We do it with oil, moving it all across the country in pipelines...... No reason we can't do it for water, but we would need much larger pumps and pipes.  I wouldn't bother treating it until it needs to be drank.... Just dump it into lake Mead lol

yeah and water going through a pipeline is a lot less dangerous than oil and gas are

 

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, Cfa said:

I’m in Queens and some blocks look like they were hit by a literal tsunami, filthy cars and debris all over the place, and then the next block over it looks as if nothing happened. The LIE is covered in sand/mud/rocks with muddy cars strewn about, I’ve never seen anything like this.

Sandy?

 

[hudsonvalley21]

1 hour ago, Allsnow said:

Way too many people out on the roads last night. I thought the nws and local media did a great job explaining the dangers 

Agree, could you imagine if this hit a few hours earlier around rush hour? Thank God it didn’t.

[hudsonvalley21]

34 minutes ago, NJwx85 said:

I still cannot get over the tornado in Gloucester County, NJ. Yes, we know that we can get tornadoes in NJ and NY but they are never this violent, this long tracked or as wide. 

It will be interesting too see what EF rating will be given after being inspected by NWS.

[Poker2015]

Just took a drive through my town and there are abandoned cars all over the place, roads washed out, and debris all over the place.

All the alerts probably confused some people. Tornado warning, go to the basement...Flash Flood warning, get to higher ground...

[Stormlover74]

1 minute ago, hudsonvalley21 said:

It will be interesting too see what EF rating will be given after being inspected by NWS.

My guess is an ef3

[WE GOT HIM]

16 minutes ago, Whineminster said:

We do it with oil, moving it all across the country in pipelines...... No reason we can't do it for water, but we would need much larger pumps and pipes.  I wouldn't bother treating it until it needs to be drank.... Just dump it into lake Mead lol

There is a massive ecological problem. Water is very different from different parts of the country. Also, bacteria, algae, ect from long transport.

[WE GOT HIM]

3 minutes ago, Poker2015 said:

Just took a drive through my town and there are abandoned cars all over the place, roads washed out, and debris all over the place.

All the alerts probably confused some people. Tornado warning, go to the basement...Flash Flood warning, get to higher ground...

Yes the flash flood warning and the emergency is very confusing to most people

[hudsonvalley21]

6 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

My guess is an ef3

 That’s My guess too by looking at the video footage with the extent of home damages there.

[NJwx85]

11 minutes ago, hudsonvalley21 said:

It will be interesting too see what EF rating will be given after being inspected by NWS.

Saw speculation last night of high end EF3 or low end EF4.

[hudsonvalley21]

7 minutes ago, NJwx85 said:

Saw speculation last night of high end EF3 or low end EF4.

Amazing, plus a wedge tornado.

[SnoSki14]

16 minutes ago, hudsonvalley21 said:

Amazing, plus a wedge tornado.

I assume these will be more frequent around here. 

Still that's incredible to see in NJ of all places.

[donsutherland1]

Some photos from Mamaroneck, NY, which was hit hard by flooding:

[Snowlover11]

traffic was a nightmare this morning leaving work what should be a 5-10 minute drive home, took me over an hour and 30 mins to get home.

[Brian5671]

2 minutes ago, Snowlover11 said:

traffic was a nightmare this morning leaving work what should be a 5-10 drive home, took me over an hour and 30 mins to get home.

imagine if this hit full force at 3pm yesterday--would have been gridlock and 10x the amount of abandoned/flooded cars

[cleetussnow]

44 minutes ago, Poker2015 said:

Just took a drive through my town and there are abandoned cars all over the place, roads washed out, and debris all over the place.

All the alerts probably confused some people. Tornado warning, go to the basement...Flash Flood warning, get to higher ground...

That is a great point.  We just don't have experience with these situations around here esp. tornados.  

[LibertyBell]

42 minutes ago, hudsonvalley21 said:

Amazing, plus a wedge tornado.

and second EF3 down there this summer, welcome to the new Oklahoma!

 

[LibertyBell]

26 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

I assume these will be more frequent around here. 

Still that's incredible to see in NJ of all places.

Have there been F4 in CT and MA? I wonder how they occurred so far north?

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, user13 said:

Yes the flash flood warning and the emergency is very confusing to most people

Here's what confuses me.....the differences between the old Fujita and scale and the new "enhanced" Fujita scale.  And from the mets I have talked to they either don't understand my question or don't understand why it was done this way either.

Here's the basic question....

Instead of making an entirely new scale, why didn't they just adjust the mph ranges of the original scale?  Why have old tornadoes on an outdated scale and new tornadoes on a different scale?  If the original scale was modified with the new ranges wouldn't it be much better namely have all tornadoes, new and old, on the same scale?

 

[tamarack]

2 hours ago, NJwx85 said:

I still cannot get over the tornado in Gloucester County, NJ. Yes, we know that we can get tornadoes in NJ and NY but they are never this violent, this long tracked or as wide. 

Ironic for the SNJ branch of our family.  They lived in "real" tornado country (Decatur, IL) for 5 years before moving to Gloucester County in 2015, about 6 miles from the tornado.  They had a baby spinner a few miles from the DEC house, but now an EF3 (my guess) far closer than any major tornados to their old place.

Edit: It was 5 miles away or a bit less.

[BucksCO_PA]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Have there been F4 in CT and MA? I wonder how they occurred so far north?

In 1953 Worcester was hit by an F5 tornado