IDA remnants OBS-nowcasts (storm total rain and/or unusual flooding, wind damage-power outage, gusts ~45+ MPH) Wed-Thu morning Sept 1-2, 2021

[Intensewind002]

IDK how good of an idea it would be but maybe they should have like mandatory weather safety classes in high school, where you would also learn all the specifics of watches warnings and where to find these products, as well as some basics in atmospheric science… because a lot of these local politicians could use something like that…

[rclab]

6 minutes ago, Intensewind002 said:

IDK how good of an idea it would be but maybe they should have like mandatory weather safety classes in high school, where you would also learn all the specifics of watches warnings and where to find these products, as well as some basics in atmospheric science… because a lot of these local politicians could use something like that…

 

35 minutes ago, qg_omega said:

Deblasio trashing meteorologists for not predicting this, blaming it all on global warming

I guess the good Mayor forgot his presidential run. As always ……

[rclab]

9 minutes ago, Intensewind002 said:

IDK how good of an idea it would be but maybe they should have like mandatory weather safety classes in high school, where you would also learn all the specifics of watches warnings and where to find these products, as well as some basics in atmospheric science… because a lot of these local politicians could use something like that…

Good morning I002.  Specifics could be added to Drivers Ed and relicensing courses. As always ,,,,

[Brian5671]

53 minutes ago, qg_omega said:

Deblasio trashing meteorologists for not predicting this, blaming it all on global warming

worst mayor ever.    Lee Goldberg was on TV saying don't go out-it's life threatening-plenty of warning on this event.

[donsutherland1]

Some scenes from the aftermath of the flood in Mamaroneck. The air hangs thick with the smell of oil and gas. There are rancid odors of decaying material and rotting food in may parts of the flood-stricken area. If one looks at the last shot, one sees a chair caught high in the vegation with the muddy waters of the Sheldrake River down below in the right lower portion of the photo. The chair is approximately 15 feet above the river. The ice machine resting near a marked parking spot was swept nearly one-third of a mile to its resting place.

Many people have had their lives altered by this event. Businesses ranging from Bilotta (kitchen and cabinet store) to a gym that had to dispose of its treadmills were adversely impacted. Bilotta suffered a total loss of inventory (as occurred during the April 2007 flood), but this flood encompassed a larger area with the waters rising much more rapidly. Outside of Mamaroneck in Harrison, there was an ongoing search for a missing vehicle that was reportedly swept into the adjacent reservoir during the height of the storm.

Taking damage photos is among the worst aspects of storm photography. It is also part of the story. The human story behind the images is far more important than the actual images. That aspect should not be lost.

[tamarack]

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

According to this article the fatalities were even higher than that: https://www.poconorecord.com/article/20150818/news/150819477

I'm confident the above article is sound.  The one I recently read focused on those taking shelter in the main camp building, a solidly built 3-story edifice.  It said that only 8 of 45 survived when the wall of water demonstrated that no framed building could withstand that much force.  The other fatalities in PA (and in SNE) were not mentioned in that article.

[jm1220]

58 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Some scenes from the aftermath of the flood in Mamaroneck. The air hangs thick with the smell of oil and gas. There are rancid odors of decaying material and rotting food in may parts of the flood-stricken area. If one looks at the last shot, one sees a chair caught high in the vegation with the muddy waters of the Sheldrake River down below in the right lower portion of the photo. The chair is approximately 15 feet above the river. The ice machine resting near a marked parking spot was swept nearly one-third of a mile to its resting place.

Many people have had their lives altered by this event. Businesses ranging from Bilotta (kitchen and cabinet store) to a gym that had to dispose of its treadmills were adversely impacted. Bilotta suffered a total loss of inventory (as occurred during the April 2007 flood), but this flood encompassed a larger area with the waters rising much more rapidly. Outside of Mamaroneck in Harrison, there was an ongoing search for a missing vehicle that was reportedly swept into the adjacent reservoir during the height of the storm.

Taking damage photos is among the worst aspects of storm photography. It is also part of the story. The human story behind the images is far more important than the actual images. That aspect should not be lost.

Wow. Reminds me of what my town looked like after Sandy.

[donsutherland1]

6 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

Wow. Reminds me of what my town looked like after Sandy.

It’s very bad in parts of Mamaroneck.

[doncat]

2 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

worst mayor ever.    Lee Goldberg was on TV saying don't go out-it's life threatening-plenty of warning on this event.

Yeah spineless incompetent politicians always blame the forecasts for their failures.

[TheManWithNoFace]

For those defending the public messaging including phone alerts, when did the alarm bells from mets start going off? As it was unfolding? All morning we saw stratiform rain in eastern PA and northern NJ. As soon as the stream of precipitation moved into CNJ and I started seeing widespread embedded cells moving 45° NW to the NE mean flow I knew we were in for it. But I didn't think why transpired was in the realm of likely possibility and I'm fairly plugged in here. 

 

People knew Irene and Sandy were coming for days in advance. Dan Zarrow is trying to dance out of it by emphasizing that he was "3 to 6 PLUS" in his forecasting (emphasis on "plus") but come on that doesn't really represent what happened. 

 

Phone alerts for flash flooding are all good as it's unfolding but the messaging was inadequate leading up. 

[BxEngine]

News channels with real mets, social media, etc were all beating the damage drums for at least a day. To say otherwise is incorrect. 

[BxEngine]

[jm1220]

24 minutes ago, doncat said:

Yeah spineless incompetent politicians always blame the forecasts for their failures.

De Blasio can’t be gone soon enough. Spineless is right and also a liar to claim that this was unforecasted and meteorologists dropped the ball. 

[GrindOutWins]

Yeah, again - I'm always quick to pull the trigger and say so if the NWS screws up. I don't know what more of a forecast someone would have wanted. It was quite accurate and way out ahead of the event with plenty of warning. People just didn't think 5-10"+ rainfall and tornados would come to fruition but..it did. 

[Rjay]

Just now, GrindOutWins said:

Yeah, again - I'm always quick to pull the trigger and say so if the NWS screws up. I don't know what more of a forecast someone would have wanted. It was quite accurate and way out ahead of the event with plenty of warning. People just didn't think 5-10"+ rainfall and tornados would come to fruition and...it did. 

Politicians are trying to save face bc they put zero prep into this storm.  Most politicians, by nature, are total clowns.

[Brian5671]

politicians and energy company execs did the same exact thing in the October 2011 snowstorm here.    Someone then played a montage of TV mets explaining the threat for the 2-3 days leading up to the event.  Typical political BS....

[psv88]

My friend works in management for the LIRR and said they had no warning the floods were coming...the meteorologists, and the models, were highlighting the potential for devastating flooding for days. To blame the met community is criminal. The reality is nothing really could have been done because our infrastructure is 150 years old and we would rather spend $5 trillion to rebuild other countries when dozens die here in part due to poor infrastructure. 

This country needs to invest trillions to prepare for what is coming with CC. Sadly many more will die before action is taken.

[BxEngine]

^that. 

[bluewave]

 

 

[Brian5671]

17 minutes ago, psv88 said:

My friend works in management for the LIRR and said they had no warning the floods were coming...the meteorologists, and the models, were highlighting the potential for devastating flooding for days. To blame the met community is criminal. The reality is nothing really could have been done because our infrastructure is 150 years old and we would rather spend $5 trillion to rebuild other countries when dozens die here in part due to poor infrastructure. 

This country needs to invest trillions to prepare for what is coming with CC. Sadly many more will die before action is taken.

Agree-if a bunch of mets and hobbyists on a message board knew it was coming so should emergency mgmt and mayors etc....

[doncat]

Remember Bloomberg just before Sandy hit? We were burning up the weather forums back then, thinking what his he talking about.

[guinness77]

2 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

Some scenes from the aftermath of the flood in Mamaroneck. The air hangs thick with the smell of oil and gas. There are rancid odors of decaying material and rotting food in may parts of the flood-stricken area. If one looks at the last shot, one sees a chair caught high in the vegation with the muddy waters of the Sheldrake River down below in the right lower portion of the photo. The chair is approximately 15 feet above the river. The ice machine resting near a marked parking spot was swept nearly one-third of a mile to its resting place.

Many people have had their lives altered by this event. Businesses ranging from Bilotta (kitchen and cabinet store) to a gym that had to dispose of its treadmills were adversely impacted. Bilotta suffered a total loss of inventory (as occurred during the April 2007 flood), but this flood encompassed a larger area with the waters rising much more rapidly. Outside of Mamaroneck in Harrison, there was an ongoing search for a missing vehicle that was reportedly swept into the adjacent reservoir during the height of the storm.

Taking damage photos is among the worst aspects of storm photography. It is also part of the story. The human story behind the images is far more important than the actual images. That aspect should not be lost.

My kid has a soccer game at Manhattanville College tomorrow and I was thinking of stopping at Half Time in Mamaroneck on the way home and I saw the building is still flooded and indefinitely closed. DeCicco’s in Larchmont has been closed since the storm too. Crazy. The picture the store put on it’s IG page is nuts. 

[qg_omega]

[Brian5671]

23 minutes ago, doncat said:

Remember Bloomberg just before Sandy hit? We were burning up the weather forums back then, thinking what his he talking about.

moronic....he was completely out to lunch.

[bluewave]

Luckily, these people were rescued from the basement by a family member. 
 

 

[donsutherland1]

Remains of a car that was swept up in the flash flood from Ida’s rains.

 

[Cfa]

Wild.

 

[donsutherland1]

13 minutes ago, Cfa said:

Wild.

 

Amazing and unlucky. I hope the driver was ok.

[A Moonlit Sky]

5 hours ago, doncat said:

Remember Bloomberg just before Sandy hit? We were burning up the weather forums back then, thinking what his he talking about.

All Bloomberg ever cared about was what real estate developers thought. He was a barrier before the storm and he was a barrier after the storm.

[NorthShoreWx]

Just back to Smithtown after guiding in the Adirondacks this week.  Not a drop of rain up there.  4.20" rain in the bucket here.  I left Tuesday morning having followed the NWS and some other forecasts and knowing full well that I was going to miss an epic/historic rain event.  Anyone who says the NWS didn't warn about this is either evil or stupid, and in the case of certain politicians, probably both.