SnowenOutThere Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: I think SPC in general (probably more a discussion for the general severe thread) is not geared well towards public consumption. A person sees "slight risk" and doesn't take the threat seriously. Or they see "10% tornado" and are like big deal. We as weather weenies know how to evaluate this - but average Joe is not now, or in the past going to fundamentally understand SPC outlook categories or percentages. Some of the switch to "level X out of X" has helped - but hasn't eliminated the issue. I think a good way to communicate to the public that these risks show is saying the SPC (severe weather prediction center) have put us in a risk level of 4/5. This risk is reserved for 2-5 times a decade usage in our area. It sounds a lot more threatening than "we're in a moderate risk from the SPC" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somecallmetim Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: I think SPC in general (probably more a discussion for the general severe thread) is not geared well towards public consumption. A person sees "slight risk" and doesn't take the threat seriously. I'd argue the general public doesn't look at SPC at all, and most of them rely almost exclusively on weather apps if they even think about the forecast. A severe thunderstorm/tornado watch/warning day of is where 98% of the public that pays attention will tune in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago Just now, somecallmetim said: I'd argue the general public doesn't look at SPC at all, and most of them rely almost exclusively on weather apps if they even think about the forecast. A severe thunderstorm/tornado watch/warning day of is where 98% of the public that pays attention will understand. The issue is social media. SPC stuff gets posted and reposted pretty virally both with/and without explanations from whoever is posting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somecallmetim Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: The issue is social media. SPC stuff gets posted and reposted pretty virally both with/and without explanations from whoever is posting it. Fair, but if we are talking social media isn't it more likely to be overhyped than under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: The issue is social media. SPC stuff gets posted and reposted pretty virally both with/and without explanations from whoever is posting it. Local news stations also show Spc outlooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 12z Nam few cells around 1pm but this later oh ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Probably one of the most impressive line-embedded tornado potential I think I've seen for these parts tomorrow. Unusually when you're seeing 15% tornado probs, you are either talking about or looking for discrete cells (which of course are very possible tomorrow) but that degree of turning combined with sufficient CAPE in the layer and timing of the forcing...going to see some significant rotation embedded within that line tomorrow. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imgoinhungry Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 12z Nam few cells around 1pm but this later oh ok What time is this map for? I am concerned about the evening commute and school buses being on the roads!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Imgoinhungry said: What time is this map for? I am concerned about the evening commute and school buses being on the roads! . 7pm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago I would guess LWX will issue a special weather statement later highlighting the risk. They put one out for the line that blew down all the power lines in Westminster in that moderate risk event like 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthArlington101 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago What time is this map for? I am concerned about the evening commute and school buses being on the roads!.Tomorrow is an obvious evening activities canceled for local school systems. Trickier call to early release depending on when the squall line is. I’d guess most schools pull the trigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDM Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago CWG sounding the alarm with a couple of articles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interstate Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago It would be crazy to have that severe thunderstorms squall line go through, and have an end as sleet and snow 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just gonna ignore all that blue on the 3k nam? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3k NAM has some cells running sw to ne well ahead of the front tomorrow after lunch in the warm sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Impressive surface cold push right on the heels of the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Good trends if you want legit severe here tomorrow. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Where’s @Ellinwood on this setup? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Where’s @Ellinwood on this setup? Eskimo Joe has been in... so I think we are at the top rung lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, yoda said: Eskimo Joe has been in... so I think we are at the top rung lol A representative from every preceding rung must be on board to go to the next step. I know Ian and Ellinwood aren’t around as much now so it may be time to update the system—just like the SPC. It’s just worked so beautifully for the last what, decade? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: A representative from every preceding rung must be on board to go to the next step. I know Ian and Ellinwood aren’t around as much now so it may be time to update the system—just like the SPC. It’s just worked so beautifully for the last what, decade? I nominate @high risk to replace Ellinwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, yoda said: I nominate @high risk to replace Ellinwood Shouldn’t high risk, be high risk? Haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, yoda said: I nominate @high risk to replace Ellinwood Yeah I mean it's literally his name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 16 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: A representative from every preceding rung must be on board to go to the next step. I know Ian and Ellinwood aren’t around as much now so it may be time to update the system—just like the SPC. It’s just worked so beautifully for the last what, decade? 13 minutes ago, yoda said: I nominate @high risk to replace Ellinwood I think Mark (Ellinwood) is still around just not as much. There are folks on here that used to (may still?) chat with him regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somecallmetim Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago He popped in with a couple of snow forecast maps over the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high risk Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 13 minutes ago, yoda said: I nominate @high risk to replace Ellinwood Hahaha. I don’t want to move on that chart. Maybe it’s because I’m out of town, but while I completely buy the high-end scenarios, there are a still a few things I don’t like about the setup. I would gladly exchange some of the shear to get more instability. Yes, there is still some cape, and maybe it’s enough, but the forecast soundings have tall, very skinny cape which sometimes doesn’t get the job done. That said, it’s tough to ignore that a forced line of convection will roll through in an environment that can certainly bring some big wind to the surface. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high risk Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Oh, and anyone trying to nail down the timing should never look at the NAMs. They’re always a couple of hours late with these events. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibawahu Posted 47 minutes ago Share Posted 47 minutes ago How does this event compare to the 2012 derecho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 41 minutes ago Share Posted 41 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, ibawahu said: How does this event compare to the 2012 derecho? Can’t really compare that. That day was almost 100 with ton of cape. Also wasn’t even in an Spc outlook for severe in the morning that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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