tamarack Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, OceanStWx said: I actually can't myself. I know GYX has internal documents we keep of the top 10 lists, I know BOX has similar. But that's what I mean about them not being digitized. Without asking BOX directly, you can't really search on your own. Over the years I've assembled top-15 snowfalls for sites from Wash D.C. to CAR, using several sources. Mostly the Utah State site until it became quite cumbersome 7-8 years ago, then using the CLIMOD2 site from Cornell, also some tables seen on these forums. I'm sure there re errors and omissions, but it's been a fun task, especially when I get to revise lists due to recent events. The very light snow has stopped, but I can see a tiny bit still clinging to the Forester's windshield. GYX had reduced yesterday's 3-5 forecast down to 1-3 this morning - moving in the right direction! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Down here Kind of shocked 2017/2018 was not snowier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Great Snow 1717 said: There were signs but they got lost in the hype They were all sorts of red flags for lots of areas, but people tend to ignore such things. Still a great storm for most of Eastern 1/3 of MA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, OceanStWx said: Unfortunately ASOS is king, and that liquid is what goes in for the climate. Even if the snow observer reports more (or less). 35” on 0.67” so far then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcglups Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Arborvitaes in the backyard. The top 2 feet of snow is actually quite dry and just the initial layer is medium wetness. Haven't heard a plow since 5am, kinda peaceful just to enjoy it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 29 minutes ago, Greg said: I'm being sincere here. Not doubting you just look at the depth change on the far-right column and one can clearly quite a discrepancy. If one measures fluffy snow every 6 hours thee will be inflated totals. This is why I believe it's more a snow depth than a snowfall Isn’t measuring snow every 6 hours the NWS recommendation?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I don't know all the models that go into the NBM, but given the projections from the GFS, Euro, and other standard models which appear to have missed the mark by a substantial amount, perhaps we should start looking at some of these other models, especially for storms like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 9 minutes ago, dendrite said: PVD 1/40” It would really be a shame if they don't get 3' on the event. Actually--if that's on the ground, is there an eventtotal for them I figure there must be some compacting of today's snow in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, OceanStWx said: Unfortunately ASOS is king, and that liquid is what goes in for the climate. Even if the snow observer reports more (or less). I've been looking back at a lot of high wind blizzards...2015..2022 etc and noticed 30-70:1 ratios at the climate sites based on those liquid totals. Shame because its obviously wrong. Skews the overall climate data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: They were all sorts of red flags for lots of areas, but people tend to ignore such things. Still a great storm for most of Eastern 1/3 of MA. Here in the Merrimack Valley it has been a good storm but not great.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, dendrite said: 35” on 0.67” so far then what 52:1 isn't realistic? Snow was fluffy, c'mon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry's Weather Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: There were signs but they got lost in the hype When the GFS slipped east, we should have known Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarFreak Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Fisheye view of the snow 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, moneypitmike said: It would really be a shame if they don't get 3' on the event. Actually--if that's on the ground, is there an eventtotal for them I figure there must be some compacting of today's snow in there. Yeah…they reported 32.8” at 1pm. The ASOS ob had a depth gain of 32” at that time. So their official is running a little over the depth change. So it’s probably 35-36” right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROOSTA Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Should be a snowdrift scale for Extreme Winter Events...LOL Who's complaining now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderblizzard Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 14" or so here. Not bad but pales in comparison to the numbers out east... wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: what 52:1 isn't realistic? Snow was fluffy, c'mon. Winter s.w.e. is so bad at a lot of sites. Pure junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Masswx said: Beats 10” of sand right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, dendrite said: Winter s.w.e. is so bad at a lot of sites. Pure junk. ive recently learned that this year. Unusable data. go with cocorahs/COOP go with God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said: I don't know all the models that go into the NBM, but given the projections from the GFS, Euro, and other standard models which appear to have missed the mark by a substantial amount, perhaps we should start looking at some of these other models, especially for storms like this. The NBM includes just about everything. In the extended it's primarily the ensembles members and then starts to bring in meso models in higher weights as you get inside 36 hours. There is dynamic weighting based on recent model performance (which is great when the pattern is stable, not so great when big changes occur). And some NBM fields are bias corrected on a grid by grid basis. Overall it's pretty good, but there are blind spots that humans can still improve on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 27 minutes ago, moneypitmike said: It will never snow again in Mattapoisett during my lifetime. Getting close to its annual average with one storm is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, GuitarFreak said: Fisheye view of the snow It's like a 90s Puff Daddy video. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, OceanStWx said: The NBM includes just about everything. In the extended it's primarily the ensembles members and then starts to bring in meso models in higher weights as you get inside 36 hours. There is dynamic weighting based on recent model performance (which is great when the pattern is stable, not so great when big changes occur). And some NBM fields are bias corrected on a grid by grid basis. Overall it's pretty good, but there are blind spots that humans can still improve on. Is the V5 experimental going to overtake the current version 4.3? I noticed its significantly lower in the snowfall mean than the operational in almost every event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 24 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: BDR just hit 20" for their storm total! Tied with #2 all-time PD2 That's absolutely awesome. Hoping I can pick up a little more from this final part that's about to pass through. Not nearly as good as other parts of the state, but I lucked out. To be honest though, it kind of pisses me off that the only time I do better than West Hartford is when we're getting screwed to begin with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 9 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Here in the Merrimack Valley it has been a good storm but not great.... I thought you guys into S NH would’ve done better. I was also a little surprised Hartford to Springfield didn’t do a little bit better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, WxWatcher007 said: That's absolutely awesome. Hoping I can pick up a little more from this final part that's about to pass through. Not nearly as good as other parts of the state, but I lucked out. To be honest though, it kind of pisses me off that the only time I do better than West Hartford is when we're getting screwed to begin with. does 11.6 in BDL seem high to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, butterfish55 said: I swear, there's an inground pool just off the porch here. If you look close, you can see the very top of the black 4 foot fence in the background That’s 40” !! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Which ex-wife lives on that shed? 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 8 hours ago, Chrisrotary12 said: Isn’t measuring snow every 6 hours the NWS recommendation?!?!? Actually, it is not a true rule. Many COOPS that I see and I'm one of them, do it the "Old School" method. We use a board but don't clear it off every 6 hours. We wait till the storm ends or every 24 hours. If a storms longer in duration than that, then we clear the board. In a storm like this, we take multiple measurements in the a "snow survey" area and get an average and report. A snow gauge can be used for far less windy storms, but I find them a little on the inaccurate side. They are better used for collecting rainfall. The National Weather Service in Norton, MA does show rules on this. In fact, I find some of the rules a little on the ridged side. This can be found on their site. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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