WestBabylonWeather Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I miss the low humidity of last summer. Minus the drought. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, WestBabylonWeather said: I miss the low humidity of last summer. Minus the drought. . Low humidity right now! Beautiful morning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 58 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said: Looks like an early morning line of storms tomorrow that's probably going to ruin any chances for later in the day 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Both NAMS keep most of the storms W of NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Stormlover74 said: Looks like an early morning line of storms tomorrow 21 minutes ago, forkyfork said: that's probably going to ruin any chances for later in the day Looks like a repeat of yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Nice improvement to Drought Monitor over the last month....EVEN FOR L.I. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Looks like a repeat of yesterday Yep except it should be a more widespread significant rain in the morning tomorrow compared to what happened yesterday. A shame though that it will likely ruin the chance of seeing anything nice later in the afternoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 i am looking forward o the delightful weather this weekend a much needed break from the humidity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 17 hours ago, JustinRP37 said: Agree. Nobody is giving up air travel, cars, boats, etc. but shockingly there are many against clean energy and renewables. I get it all the time in my field and don’t quite get it. Not sure if there have been in depth studies on renewables (i.e. Environmental Impact Studies)? If this were 20 years ago, environmentalists would be protesting alongside the wind turbines for killing the oodles of birds including eagles! How about the mining of the elements needed for car batteries? What happens to the wind turbine fields after their lifespan is over? We thought dams were clean energy, but now we are decomissioning a lot of them. Something to ponder. Proceed, but perhaps not with reckless abandon? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 37 minutes ago, MANDA said: Nice improvement to Drought Monitor over the last month....EVEN FOR L.I. Shows the Nassau/W Suffolk screw zone, but there’s been some progress lately (the cutoff for data on that map is Tue mornings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravity Wave Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 My only comment on energy policy is that the continued aversion to nuclear power among large swathes of both environmentalists and the population at large is extremely frustrating. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 37 minutes ago, Gravity Wave said: My only comment on energy policy is that the continued aversion to nuclear power among large swathes of both environmentalists and the population at large is extremely frustrating. I think it's the overall fear of "what if?" that keeps it from expanding all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Gravity Wave said: My only comment on energy policy is that the continued aversion to nuclear power among large swathes of both environmentalists and the population at large is extremely frustrating. Roger stone made an incredible documentary on nuclear, it’s on Netflix and a must watch. Germany is decommissioning their last remaining plants to replace with bio fuels. Which right now means buying huge swaths of forrest from other countries to burn… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Dark Star said: Not sure if there have been in depth studies on renewables (i.e. Environmental Impact Studies)? If this were 20 years ago, environmentalists would be protesting alongside the wind turbines for killing the oodles of birds including eagles! How about the mining of the elements needed for car batteries? What happens to the wind turbine fields after there lifespan is over? We thought dams were clean energy, but now we are decomissioning a lot of them. Something to ponder. Proceed, but perhaps not with reckless abandon? There are plenty of studies about it. The birds being struck by wind turbines are a huge issue, but still more are killed each year by glass buildings and windows. As for batteries this is one I get a lot. Mining is rough on the environment for sure. But coal mining is even more damaging and since that is my background I can say that coal mining creating issues forever with acid mine drainage. At least with lithium and modern day recycling we can pretty much remanufacture a battery to near 100% battery health with minimal damage. Once you burn a mined or drilled fuel it is gone but the damage remains. A good few articles about EVs: https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/life-cycle-emissions-of-electric-hybrid-and-combustion-engine-vehicles/ and https://www.forbes.com/sites/enriquedans/2018/07/03/electric-vehicles-and-disinformation/?sh=230e5ec631e5. I don’t think anyone wants to proceed with reckless abandon. The one thing that really terrified me though is the solar blocking studies. Too much can go wrong there especially since we don’t even know everything about our atmosphere and currents. Until we can predict the weather more than 3 days out with high accuracy I’d rather not mess with solar input. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Roger stone made an incredible documentary on nuclear, it’s on Netflix and a must watch. Germany is decommissioning their last remaining plants to replace with bio fuels. Which right now means buying huge swaths of forrest from other countries to burn… Oliver Stone. Roger Stone is a political consultant. Nuclear will make a great bridge fuel. As for biofuel we could do it with algae using diatoms. Some species can be up to 60% lipid which is oil. Very cool stuff because it burns like fossil oil and then recapture the CO2 to grow. Also switchgrass and ethanol production is not as easy as algae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Gravity Wave said: My only comment on energy policy is that the continued aversion to nuclear power among large swathes of both environmentalists and the population at large is extremely frustrating. Something worth considering, but there is no moratorium on building new facilities. They had become very expensive to operate and still no actual place for long tern storage of the spent fuel. I think Yucca mountain is still not open? Then how does one transport nuclear waste across the country? Truck, rail, plane? What about Right To Know when transporting it? Seems like an easy target for demented terrorists... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, JustinRP37 said: Oliver Stone. Roger Stone is a political consultant. Nuclear will make a great bridge fuel. As for biofuel we could do it with algae using diatoms. Some species can be up to 60% lipid which is oil. Very cool stuff because it burns like fossil oil and then recapture the CO2 to grow. Also switchgrass and ethanol production is not as easy as algae. Yeah I was just going back to make that correction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 what a beautiful day did anyone expect dewpoints to be in the 50's in nyc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Dark Star said: Something worth considering, but there is no moratorium on building new facilities. They had become very expensive to operate and still no actual place for long tern storage of the spent fuel. I think Yucca mountain is still not open? Then how does one transport nuclear waste across the country? Truck, rail, plane? What about Right To Know when transporting it? Seems like an easy target for demented terrorists... Yucca was about to open in the mid 2000s then got spiked for environmental reasons. I guess it was built on a fault line. In the meantime, the waste material from Indian Point for example is stored at Indian Point, also on a fault line. All nuclear power plants in the US store their waste on site which will be the case essentially for everyone's lifetime who are posting here now. There is no solution for the waste. NYC traded Indian Point power for a damn project power plant in Canada and we are reliant ~20% on that now. This is great, except the waste is still there on the fault. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Anyway, NYC is plugged in via extension cord under Lake George to our grid. The Indians in the area of the damn claim the waters as some kind of ancestral lands, and there are already court cases about the project and water flow, and the native fish that the damn disturbs. Its just a matter of time before that gets shut down IMO and NY will not have a plan if the courts go against the project. We have a lot of natural gas in this state, but we won't tap it. Hell, it's illegal to add a natural gas line to a home that doesn't already have one in my county. So I have to use electric for my stove and my furnace is oil. I have few options. I think this is a way to ensure the NY power projects get more business $$$ from electric heavy appliances as opposed to some environmental concern. Otherwise oil furnaces would be banned. Oil furnaces in new construction is a thing here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 23 hours ago, forkyfork said: we get endless uhi posts whenever newark breaks a record but nobody mentions how we turned the entire great plains into a parking lot in the 30s It's crazy to see how this urban heat island effect keeps growing and even affecting places hundreds of miles from any city, such as McKean County, Pennsylvania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said: It's crazy to see how this urban heat island effect keeps growing and even affecting places hundreds of miles from any city, such as McKean County, Pennsylvania. We are in part of the country where NYC UHI became established in the early 1900s and expanded to the suburbs 1950-1980. So all of our warming since 1980 is CC. Places like Phoenix and Las Vegas have seen the double whammy of UHI expansion and CC since 1970. UHI around NYC was pretty strong by the late 1800s. Data for August 1, 1896 through August 31, 1896Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. State Name Station Type Number of Days Min Temperature >= 70 NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 16 NY BRONX COOP 12 NJ NEWARK COOP 11 NJ PATERSON COOP 11 NJ PLAINFIELD COOP 10 NY WORLD TRADE CENTER WBAN 10 NJ ELIZABETH COOP 9 CT BRIDGEPORT COOP 9 NY WEST POINT COOP 7 NY PORT JERVIS COOP 6 NY SETAUKET STRONG COOP 6 CT MIDDLETOWN 4 W COOP 6 CT NEW LONDON COOP 5 CT COLCHESTER 2 W COOP 5 NY BRENTWOOD COOP 4 CT WATERBURY ANACONDA COOP 4 CT NORWALK COOP 3 NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Some showers or thundershowers are likely tomorrow. Some of the thunderstorms could be severe. Afterward, a fair and dry weekend will follow. An extreme heat event continues to grip the Southwest. Cities such as Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Tucson could see readings continue to rise toward or above their record daily levels over the next few days. Phoenix reached a sizzling 119° today on Day 21 of its longest heatwave on record. That smashed the daily record of 114° from 1978. In addition, Phoenix had a mean temperature of 105° or above for the fifth time this month. No year had more than two such days. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +3.4°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.1°C for the week centered around July 12. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +2.80°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +0.97°C. El Niño conditions have developed and will likely continue to strengthen through at least the summer. The probability of an East-based El Niño event has increased. The SOI was -18.65 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +1.035 today. On July 18 the MJO was in Phase 3 at an amplitude of 0.509 (RMM). The July 17-adjusted amplitude was 0.455 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 75% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal July (1991-2020 normal). July will likely finish with a mean temperature near 79.1° (1.6° above normal). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmine1 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 The line in western NY/PA is tasty. Odds it holds? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravity Wave Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rmine1 said: The line in western NY/PA is tasty. Odds it holds? HRRR says yes, although in a significantly weakened state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Rmine1 said: The line in western NY/PA is tasty. Odds it holds? Possible Derecho if it holds far enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatamy Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Timing of this feature looks to be 1:30 - 2:00 AM for when it reaches NW NJ and Warren Cty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatamy Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Mt. Holly issues severe thunderstorm watch for all of its PA counties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tatamy said: Mt. Holly issues severe thunderstorm watch for all of its PA counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tatamy said: Mt. Holly issues severe thunderstorm watch for all of its PA counties. Western NJ is included too. Nasty looking line. Haven't seen one this well formed in quite some time. I'll have the flashlights and clothes ready in case I need to hop out of bed quickly. Hopefully it weakens some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 7/20 TEB: 92 EWR: 88 PHL: 88 NYC: 88 New Brnswck: 87 TTN: 86 LGA: 85 ISP: 85 JFK: 84 BLM: 83 ACY: 83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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