Fozz Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I wouldn't call myself a denier (not that you did), as I acknowledge that the Earth has warmed slightly. The question is how much have humans contributed, and, perhaps if this warming will be reversed by natural cooling. The alarmists are the problem. They are turning more people away from acknowledging that the slight warming is not a lie. Their constant hype of everyday events makes them look like complete jokes, and gives science a bad name. Your statement about alarmists "dialing it down" in the next 2 decades is wrong. They need to stop now. They are a big part of the problem. There's a very strong consensus that global warming is primarily caused by humans.... and any natural cooling is unlikely to happen at a time when CO2 levels are going through the roof.... at best it would slightly slow down the warming. I don't like the alarmist hype of everyday events, linking California's drought, Sandy, or March 2012 to global warming... it's annoying and not very scientifically sound, no better than saying that Snowmageddon or the Polar Vortex™ prove that global warming is BS. But the real problem is the fact that there huge industries in this country that spend billions on propaganda and lobbying to convince the general public that the greatest environmental challenge of the 21st century is just a scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Oh Fozz. How are you getting a masters degree? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 ji meltdown coming soon.....not sure yet but stay tuned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 ? Dumb comment on alarmists... makes me wonder how your critical thinking/intellectual honesty skills are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Dumb comment on alarmists... makes me wonder how your critical thinking/intellectual honesty skills are going. Which comment? I primarily called out the deniers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailylurker Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Well, the good news. This will all charge by tomorrow. I bet were tracking a HECS by Sunday and a hurricane over the lakes by Monday. Then, who knows? Sunny and 60? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast NPZ Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 There's a very strong consensus that global warming is primarily caused by humans.... and any natural cooling is unlikely to happen at a time when CO2 levels are going through the roof.... at best it would slightly slow down the warming. I don't like the alarmist hype of everyday events, linking California's drought, Sandy, or March 2012 to global warming... it's annoying and not very scientifically sound, no better than saying that Snowmageddon or the Polar Vortex™ prove that global warming is BS. But the real problem is the fact that there huge industries in this country that spend billions on propaganda and lobbying to convince the general public that the greatest environmental challenge of the 21st century is just a scam. And the biggest alarmist continues to live in a mansion and fly around on private jets. The climate change "rally" was a doozy. Hundreds of thousands of activists burning more fossil fuels to get to NYC than I would use in a year of commuting to work, all to advocate what? I'm not a denier by any stretch. The last thing I would want is to live on a warming Earth (it's already WAYYYY TOO WARM for me). It is much too simplistic to categorize all skeptics as deniers. There is a healthy contingent, like myself, who recognize AGW, but pragmatically understand the economic damage that would result from some of the policies advocated by the likes of Gore, etc. to combat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. August Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 There's a very strong consensus that global warming is primarily caused by humans.... and any natural cooling is unlikely to happen at a time when CO2 levels are going through the roof.... at best it would slightly slow down the warming. I don't like the alarmist hype of everyday events, linking California's drought, Sandy, or March 2012 to global warming... it's annoying and not very scientifically sound, no better than saying that Snowmageddon or the Polar Vortex™ prove that global warming is BS. But the real problem is the fact that there huge industries in this country that spend billions on propaganda and lobbying to convince the general public that the greatest environmental challenge of the 21st century is just a scam. CO2 levels have gone up and down before, so why is this time different? I understand that the current CO2 levels are not 100% natural, but who's to say they won't naturally go back down? Only time will tell.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 ji meltdown coming soon.....not sure yet but stay tuned Dude, get your sh*t together and stop acting like a noob. It's 8 days out, you've been around long enough not to give up based on that alone. Remember just 24 hours ago how the Euro had us getting raked...and now look at it. See how fast it can change? Get it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 And the biggest alarmist continues to live in a mansion and fly around on private jets. The climate change "rally" was a doozy. Hundreds of thousands of activists burning more fossil fuels to get to NYC than I would use in a year of commuting to work, all to advocate what? I'm not a denier by any stretch. The last thing I would want is to live on a warming Earth (it's already WAYYYY TOO WARM for me). It is much too simplistic to categorize all skeptics as deniers. There is a healthy contingent, like myself, who recognize AGW, but pragmatically understand the economic damage that would result from the policies advocated by the likes of Gore, etc. Nowhere did I categorize all skeptics as deniers... there are a number of skeptics who don't fully buy the most alarming global warming scenerios (sea level rise flooding NYC and other coastal cities, disastrous hurricanes, no snow in DC, etc), but still believe that the world is warming and humans are a significant cause. CO2 levels have gone up and down before, so why is this time different? I understand that the current CO2 levels are not 100% natural, but who's to say they won't naturally go back down? Only time will tell.. CO2 levels are changing at a much faster pace now, faster than what a lot of the biosphere can adapt to .... 150 years or so is just a blip on the geological time scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Which comment? I primarily called out the deniers. And gave alarmists a two decade pass to be alarmists. Pretty sure they're both about the same on the scale. Continuing to polarize the issue helps no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast NPZ Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 And gave alarmists a two decade pass to be alarmists. Pretty sure they're both about the same on the scale. Continuing to polarize the issue helps no one. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 And gave alarmists a two decade pass to be alarmists. Pretty sure they're both about the same on the scale. Continuing to polarize the issue helps no one. I was trying to say that once people stop denying AGW and start realizing it's a huge ****ing problem, then everyone can be less polarized and work on solving the problem or at least mitigating and adapting. I hope it doesn't take another 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurojosh Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 JMA looking gangbusters for next weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 i hope some of you find help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast NPZ Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Nowhere did I categorize all skeptics as deniers... there are a number of skeptics who don't fully buy the most alarming global warming scenerios (sea level rise flooding NYC and other coastal cities, disastrous hurricanes, no snow in DC, etc), but still believe that the world is warming and humans are the main cause. And I didn't mean to imply that you did. I really intended my comment to be about the polarization / politicization of the issue. Ian did it much better than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Idiots/alarmists on both sides of this erroneously use short term weather to try to illustrate their points. You can tell what someone's opinion is by which incorrect illustrations they find more annoying. Edit: or like me, you find them all annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'm mad at the jma. I thoroughly enjoy Ji meltdowns and I might have joined him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast NPZ Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 JI meltdowns are a lot more entertaining than this weather. Keep 'em coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87storms Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 the storm is 100 hours away from being 100 hours away. i think the most important thing is that there's a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I was trying to say that once people stop denying AGW and start realizing it's a huge ****ing problem, then everyone can be less polarized and work on solving the problem or at least mitigating and adapting. I hope it doesn't take another 20 years. I'm sure after 20 more years of fighting everyone will join hands and sing. Sound theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 These global warming fights are a real snoozefest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 These global warming fights are a real snoozefest. if it wasnt for bastardi, nobody would ever talk about globar warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxdude64 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 JI meltdowns are a lot more entertaining than this weather. Keep 'em coming. This ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clueless Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Fookin' low traffic jam screwing up our chances. Please let them go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 JI meltdowns are a lot more entertaining than this weather. Keep 'em coming. Ji's meltdowns have increased over the past few years, which is a direct result of global warming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The long range threat is like skeet shooting. Someone yells "pull" and out comes an optimistic post (hopeful)..........and then BAM! somebody blows the sh*t out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Wes should only write pessimistic articles. His optimistic ones die as soon as they're published Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The long range threat is like skeet shooting. Someone yells "pull" and out comes an optimistic post (hopeful)..........and then BAM! a group of people blow the sh*t out of it. FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Glad to see I am on the right side of that tight gradient for the Sunday event. Whew, I was a tad worried I would miss out on my heavy rain. 18z GFS lookin good for here. 1"+. Stoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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