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19 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, that was the heaviest single snowstorm of the 1980s. I can remember looking out the window of the LB High school just after noon and wondering why it was taking so long to start. But when I looked out a few minutes later it went from nothing to very heavy snow in about 10 minutes. It wasn’t until January 1996 that we had a snowstorm that was able to surpass it.

 

19 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, that was the heaviest single snowstorm of the 1980s. I can remember looking out the window of the LB High school just after noon and wondering why it was taking so long to start. But when I looked out a few minutes later it went from nothing to very heavy snow in about 10 minutes. It wasn’t until January 1996 that we had a snowstorm that was able to surpass it.

Think you forgot Feb 1983.

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22 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, that was the heaviest single snowstorm of the 1980s. I can remember looking out the window of the LB High school just after noon and wondering why it was taking so long to start. But when I looked out a few minutes later it went from nothing to very heavy snow in about 10 minutes. It wasn’t until January 1996 that we had a snowstorm that was able to surpass it.

It's funny in today's times school would not even open on a day like this....

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12 minutes ago, WX-PA said:

 

Think you forgot Feb 1983.

The post you quoted from me was referring to February 83 which was our heaviest 80s snowstorm.

 

Growing up in Allentown the neighbors who had been around for a while would talk about February 1983 before 1996 even though the latter ended up as a slightly bigger storm in terms of accumulations (30" vs 25"). I think it was the intensity that made such an impression, 1996 was 36 hours of steady snow while 83 came in like a wall and dropped 5" in an hour at one point.

Yeah, that was the heaviest single snowstorm of the 1980s. I can remember looking out the window of the LB High school just after noon and wondering why it was taking so long to start. But when I looked out a few minutes later it went from nothing to very heavy snow in about 10 minutes. It wasn’t until January 1996 that we had a snowstorm that was able to surpass it.

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58 minutes ago, FPizz said:

This one was the one that made me love snow.  12" of snow in CNJ as a 9 year old seemed like a ton.  

12” of snow in Central NJ from one storm is still a ton. We’ve been spoiled since the early 2000s. I remember the late 90s were horrendous. Between April 1996 and 12/30/00 couldn’t get any event more than a few inches. Don’t want to disturb the hornet nest but we’re due for a down period again. Hopefully this winter can produce but the background Niña state and -PDO is always a concern. 

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39 minutes ago, qg_omega said:

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How're you feeling about this prediction so far? 

On 11/9/2023 at 6:48 AM, qg_omega said:

Time will tell but I have a hard time seeing how November doesn’t finish at least 1 degree above normal if not more

Looks like Central Park is running 2.0F below normal through the 15th. According to the 0z EPS it looks like they'll be running around normal for the next 7 days and then 3-5F below normal for the following 7 days to close out the month. 

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8 hours ago, bluewave said:

The 80s were known for the big 3. Historic April 82 blizzard that still stands as our greatest late season blizzard. The famous February 83 snowstorm. Then the surprise January 87 snowstorm that was supposed to quickly change to rain but dropped near 10” on Long Island. You could also add the surprise December 88 Norlun that dropped around  10” on Long Island. But the snow band was so narrow that Western Suffolk had close to 12” and Long Beach got nothing. So it was too limited in coverage for me to add to my big 3 list. 

On the Nassau south shore that snow hung on til about 3:30 or so.  I remember looking out the window at school, already cursed with enough meteorology knowledge to know that rain was on the doorstep, and so was unable to share in the joy of my bilssfully innocent classmates, yet shocked at this storm which was breaking the 'inevitable changeover to rain' axiom that I'd come to just concede as a fact of life.  Will never forget shoveling my driveway after school in what had by then in fact finally become rain.  It was without a doubt the most waterlogged, brutally heavy snow to shovel that I've ever experienced. 

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51 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

12” of snow in Central NJ from one storm is still a ton. We’ve been spoiled since the early 2000s. I remember the late 90s were horrendous. Between April 1996 and 12/30/00 couldn’t get any event more than a few inches. Don’t want to disturb the hornet nest but we’re due for a down period again. Hopefully this winter can produce but the background Niña state and -PDO is always a concern. 

We've pretty much been in a down period since March 2018, with the exception of February 2021 (and maybe January 2022 for eastern areas).

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56 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

12” of snow in Central NJ from one storm is still a ton. We’ve been spoiled since the early 2000s. I remember the late 90s were horrendous. Between April 1996 and 12/30/00 couldn’t get any event more than a few inches. Don’t want to disturb the hornet nest but we’re due for a down period again. Hopefully this winter can produce but the background Niña state and -PDO is always a concern. 

It is, I was just saying as a kid it seemed overwhelming and didn't think I'd see anything like it again.  I was quite wrong, lol.  I appreciate all snow knowing that seasons like last year happen, so I enjoy what I can get.  

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1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

12” of snow in Central NJ from one storm is still a ton. We’ve been spoiled since the early 2000s. I remember the late 90s were horrendous. Between April 1996 and 12/30/00 couldn’t get any event more than a few inches. Don’t want to disturb the hornet nest but we’re due for a down period again. Hopefully this winter can produce but the background Niña state and -PDO is always a concern. 

The March 99 heavy wet snow event was probably the best one in that disappointing stretch. Probably one of the lowest snow ratios we ever got in Long Beach. There was so much water content in that snow that the snapping sycamore branches sounded like gunshots in Long Beach. 
 

Data for March 14, 1999 through March 15, 1999
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
State
Name
Station Type
Total Snowfall 
NY YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W COOP 9.5
CT DANBURY COOP 9.2
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 9.0
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 9.0
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 8.8
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 8.3
CT COCKAPONSET RANGER STA COOP 8.0
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 8.0
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 7.9
CT GROTON COOP 7.0
NY MINEOLA 1 NE COOP 6.1
NJ ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG COOP 6.0
NY WALDEN 1 ESE COOP 6.0
NY OCEANSIDE COOP 5.8
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Tomorrow will be another very mild day. Highs will reach the middle and upper 60s. A few locations could reach 70°. However, a cold front will move across the region Friday night into Saturday bringing some showers. Generally rainfall amounts should be light (less than 0.25").

The long-range guidance has shifted. It now shows cooler air overspreading the region near or during the Thanksgiving Day holiday. The responsible cold front could bring a moderate to significant rainfall to the region.

The colder conditions could last through the remainder of November. The shift in the guidance reaffirms the limitations of guidance beyond Week 2 and the reality that such outlooks are low-skill in nature.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +2.2°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.8°C for the week centered around November 8. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +2.37°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +1.63°C. El Niño conditions will likely continue to strengthen into the early winter with the current East-based event transitioning to a basinwide El Niño. That transition continues.

Currently, 2023 is in uncharted territory as far as the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly and PDO are concerned. The October ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.59°C while the PDO was -1.71. Prior to 2023, the lowest October PDO when the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.00°C or above was -0.36 in 1965.

The SOI was -10.25 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +1.417 today.

On November 15 the MJO was in Phase 7 at an amplitude of 1.637 (RMM). The November 14-adjusted amplitude was 1.666 (RMM).

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 82% probability that New York City will have a cooler than normal November (1991-2020 normal). November will likely finish with a mean temperature near 46.1° (1.9° below normal). That would be New York City's coldest November since November 2019.

 

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7 hours ago, Gravity Wave said:

Growing up in Allentown the neighbors who had been around for a while would talk about February 1983 before 1996 even though the latter ended up as a slightly bigger storm in terms of accumulations (30" vs 25"). I think it was the intensity that made such an impression, 1996 was 36 hours of steady snow while 83 came in like a wall and dropped 5" in an hour at one point.

83 came in like a wall where I was on the north shore of LI as well.

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17 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It would be funny if NYC misses a freeze again for Thanksgiving. Some models drop the winds pretty quickly behind the front with very weak CAA. But Wednesday looks like the milder day ahead of the front. 

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I need to get the working theory on this forum to wrap my head around why the city can’t freeze anymore…

 

They don’t radiate because of the UHI and need winds from the northwest to freeze?

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20 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

I need to get the working theory on this forum to wrap my head around why the city can’t freeze anymore…

 

They don’t radiate because of the UHI and need winds from the northwest to freeze?

It’s more the nature of the colder air masses this fall so far. Fronts come through and winds drop off pretty quickly. There hasn’t been any strong cold air advection behind the fronts. But this isn’t that unusual as the average first freeze in NYC last decade is 11-16.

 

Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
Year
Last
Value
First
Value
Season Length
Minimum 03-01 (2020) 10-31 (2020) 215
Mean 03-29 11-16 232
Maximum 04-16 (2014) 12-09 (2016) 243
2022 03-30 (2022) 29 11-19 (2022) 31 233
2021 04-03 (2021) 32 11-23 (2021) 32 233
2020 03-01 (2020) 25 10-31 (2020) 32 243
2019 03-18 (2019) 32 11-08 (2019) 29 234
2018 04-09 (2018) 32 11-14 (2018) 32 218
2017 03-23 (2017) 23 11-10 (2017) 25 231
2016 04-10 (2016) 31 12-09 (2016) 29 242
2015 04-01 (2015) 32 11-24 (2015) 32 236
2014 04-16 (2014) 31 11-18 (2014) 24 215
2013 03-23 (2013) 32 11-12 (2013) 31 233
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