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5 minutes ago, Subtropics said:

DT was saying this yesterday. Fully expects a correction north and east once the storm starts moving WNW

Of course,  with all things being equal,  I'd always place a greater probability on a more N track as an intense hurricane is looking for any weakness to escape the first chance it gets.  

 

Edit:  But, all things aren't always equal.   Tropical meteorology is a complex and inexact science.  

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I think the TUTT to the NW is still a key player in the near term.  I think its helping the Atlantic ridge to strengthen while at the same time keeping the ridge orientation on a more east west axis by giving the ridge some space to build into.  As it weakens and lifts/dissipates the Atlantic ridge will begin to expand north into that space allowing the storm to gain some latitude.  However if you look at the water vapor loop there are a couple of players that have popped up that may be accounting for the models trending even farther west.  There is a small mid level ridge that has formed just east of Fl that the TUTT is enhancing.  There is also some upper level cyclonic flow beginning to develop in the central Caribbean.  That weak ULL may be enough to tug Irma a little more west so it ducks under that ridge east of Fl.  Neither of those features were shown in the models 36 hours ago or so that I saw.   

   Just my 2 cents I've been wrong before ;)

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-wv.html

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I don't understand the idea that we have to see an eastward correction simply when WNW motion begins.  Seems like simpleton thinking.  There's a difference between anticipated WNW motion and WNW motion that happens prematurely and then gets more and more off course.

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4 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I don't understand the idea that we have to see an eastward correction simply when WNW motion begins.  Seems like simpleton thinking.  There's a difference between anticipated WNW motion and WNW motion that happens prematurely and then gets more and more off course.

Yeah, if the WNW motion starts early then I would expect an adjustment but the models are predicting a WNW movement in a day or so.

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4 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I don't understand the idea that we have to see an eastward correction simply when WNW motion begins.  Seems like simpleton thinking.  There's a difference between anticipated WNW motion and WNW motion that happens prematurely and then gets more and more off course.

Because a number of models continue the WSW motion for too long.  When they initialize further north next run with a due west trajectory, they're more likely trek further north.

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Just now, Wow said:

Because a number of models continue the WSW motion for too long.  When they initialize further north next run with a due west trajectory, they're more likely trek further north.

In the case of those models, UKMET for example, there would be a correction. The GFS and Euro I believe stop the WSW motion this evening so any adjustment would/should be very minimal with them.

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46 minutes ago, Dunkman said:

There wouldn't be much left of Irma if it followed the UK track. Just saying. That depiction of a powerful cyclone at hour 168 after that track is complete fiction. Its shredded remains would likely continue on into the gulf because it would be too shallow to be pulled north.

I think this is a great point. If it dives too far south and interacts too much with Cuba the weakening could cause the upper level steering flow to interact less. That could easily take Irma right into the central GOM like what the 12Z FIM shows. I think we're moving into a period where D5 forecasts have less confidence now than in days prior.

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5 minutes ago, Wow said:

Because a number of models continue the WSW motion for too long.  When they initialize further north next run with a due west trajectory, they're more likely trek further north.

Not quite what I'm saying.  I'm saying IF the upcoming turn to the WNW happens on schedule, why would it automatically lead to an eastward adjustment on models at that point? 

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

Not quite what I'm saying.  I'm saying IF the upcoming turn to the WNW happens on schedule, why would it automatically lead to an eastward adjustment on models at that point? 

Ah, not quite sure then.  :wacko:

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