bboughton Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 We actually didn’t come all that close. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 For any BOX mets that lurk, I’d like to add kudos for a great aggressive forecast. I still think the blizz criteria determination needs work though. Yesterday should’ve counted. You can’t subjectively take 1/4sm obs because ASOS low vis blows and then nit pick 5min wind obs where maybe a couple of obs fell a few mph short. This was hours of near 0SM vis with high impact winds. If this doesn’t count just toss the warning option to the curb then. Everything just becomes a WSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, bboughton said: We actually didn’t come all that close. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, dendrite said: For any BOX mets that lurk, I’d like to add kudos for a great aggressive forecast. I still think the blizz criteria determination needs work though. Yesterday should’ve counted. You can’t subjectively take 1/4sm obs because ASOS low vis blows and then nit pick 5min wind obs where maybe a couple of obs fell a few mph short. This was hours of near 0SM vis with high impact winds. If this doesn’t count just toss the warning option to the curb then. Everything just becomes a WSW. No kidding. So why did we count last year? And also, did we not have 1/4SM for 3 hrs after the 1 min lull of winds 3mph below criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, bboughton said: We actually didn’t come all that close. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS Define “frequent gusts >= 35mph” for me. If you’re going to nitpick every 5 min ob just take the word “frequent” out of it and make it all obs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: No kidding. So why did we count last year? And also, did we not have 1/4SM for 3 hrs after the 1 min lull of winds 3mph below criteria? I looked back at the 2/9/17 obs. You’re right, that shouldn’t have counted either. http://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=KBOS&time=GMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: No kidding. So why did we count last year? And also, did we not have 1/4SM for 3 hrs after the 1 min lull of winds 3mph below criteria? Thy thatched roof only blew a rod downwind, twas not a blizzard but a tempest of the most ordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 When Dendrite thinks something should be a blizzard it probably should be as the board observation/instrument/quality control expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, OceanStWx said: Thy thatched roof only blew a rod downwind, twas not a blizzard but a tempest of the most ordinary. Can’t wait to see freshet in an AFD in a couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: When Dendrite thinks something should be a blizzard it probably should be as the board observation/quality control expert. I just want consistency and a concrete definition. The whole thing is too subjective for me and people take their blizzards seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Thy thatched roof only blew a rod downwind, twas not a blizzard but a tempest of the most ordinary. 7' shall we not WSW? At Kevin do we not laugh? 1/4SM for over 3 hrs shall we not blizzard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanks45 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Looks like between 11 and 12 inches here in Newtown, CT so we I guess we can call it 11.5" and be happy. No complaints here since for the most part the western guys were on the outside looking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 about 6 inches of fluff here as of this morning SN- and blowing snow continues across the beastly arctic landscape , huge tractor trailer stuck at the bottom of the hill in town at the main intersection as i drove home.... currently -6F and falling, epic winter rolls on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 So this was the only ob that officially kept BOS from blizzard criteria? This is despite the 1754z ob and 1833z ob having gusts over 31 knots. So we're talking like a 15 min period of wind criteria that falls short by 2mph...but the blizzard definition of frequency of wind is subjective..."frequent gusts" over 35mph doesn't tell you how long of a lull there can be. The visibility criteria is more objective. It has to be continuous. KBOS 041810Z 35022G29KT 1/8SM R04R/1400V2400FT +SN BLSN FZFG VV005 M02/M03 A2906 RMK AO2 PK WND 34029/1810 PRESFR P0004 T10221028 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Stop stealing our blizzards! My guess is that most of the public would feel it was a blizzard around Boston no matter what NWS classifies it as. Although do most people only think of a blizzard as a 24” storm? Do they consider the wind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adk Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Stop stealing our blizzards! My guess is that most of the public would feel it was a blizzard around Boston no matter what NWS classifies it as. Although do most people only think of a blizzard as a 24” storm? Do they consider the wind? Once you are convicted in the court of public opinion... Also, Blizzard of 2018 is so much more marketable than "that really big storm in 2018 that was more intense than some of the other storms that winter". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 11 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said: You would love the ambiance there. All death and creepy... Plus indoor shuffleboard!!! lol. Really? Is it a full bar, open for the day, or do they just open it for select tastings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 13.5" will do it. I think it was the best storm we've had in several years even though we didn't get blockbuster snow totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I ended up with about 10" in Brooklyn. Good amount of drifting today in some spots. Steve's drift fetish appetite will be satisfied to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, dendrite said: For any BOX mets that lurk, I’d like to add kudos for a great aggressive forecast. I still think the blizz criteria determination needs work though. Yesterday should’ve counted. You can’t subjectively take 1/4sm obs because ASOS low vis blows and then nit pick 5min wind obs where maybe a couple of obs fell a few mph short. This was hours of near 0SM vis with high impact winds. If this doesn’t count just toss the warning option to the curb then. Everything just becomes a WSW. Valid argument indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Cold Miser said: lol. Really? Is it a full bar, open for the day, or do they just open it for select tastings? It is a brewery. They make beer. They sell beer. Closed Monday and Tuesday open afternoons and evenings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Best winter storm since Boxing Day imo, but I lived in central LI up through 2015. So many of you guys will likely have others... I think this was the best significant snow/wind combination I've experienced in my life though. I'm 30, so many of you may have others that predate me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Banding can do funny things but I'm calling BS on the 10.5" report out of Greenfield. 7"-8" max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Ice waves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 59 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: So this was the only ob that officially kept BOS from blizzard criteria? This is despite the 1754z ob and 1833z ob having gusts over 31 knots. So we're talking like a 15 min period of wind criteria that falls short by 2mph...but the blizzard definition of frequency of wind is subjective..."frequent gusts" over 35mph doesn't tell you how long of a lull there can be. The visibility criteria is more objective. It has to be continuous. KBOS 041810Z 35022G29KT 1/8SM R04R/1400V2400FT +SN BLSN FZFG VV005 M02/M03 A2906 RMK AO2 PK WND 34029/1810 PRESFR P0004 T10221028 A little birdie told me they use the 5min wind obs...so there were a few more than that mixed in. http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/getobext.php?sid=BOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfishsnowman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 well even though i wasn't overly impressed with yesterdays event personally for my house, as far as I am concerned it was a blizzard with the falling/blowing snow combo even when the snow was light the vis with freezing fog and blowing snow was <1/4 mi most blowing snow I have seen since boxing day debacle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 40 minutes ago, adk said: Once you are convicted in the court of public opinion... Also, Blizzard of 2018 is so much more marketable than "that really big storm in 2018 that was more intense than some of the other storms that winter". And "marketable" is key. Though bombogenesis is commonly in use by mets, and on here, I'd never heard the term "bomb cyclone" before Wednesday, though I've heard it many dozens of times since - the new ear toy for MSM. 4 years ago it was "polar vortex". Finished with 13.0" here on 0.99" LE, with 11" coming noon-6 PM. Visibility for those 6 hours ranged from 1/4 mile down to under 1/16 (at 4 PM, under The Band), but winds did not approach blizzard criterion until after the snowfall was about done, peak gusts were right around that 35 mph. Odd to get 13" on 1/4, as we had the same exact amount on 1/4/2003 (and only got 4.5" more for the month.) The only other January date with more than 8.0" since 1999 is the 27th, 16.0" from the 2015 blizzard, one of only 4 events here that I consider to have met the full blizz criteria. (Others are 12/6-7/03, 12/21-22/08, 3/14/17.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 There's a lot of snow out there. My dog does not like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I live at exit 3 off of rt3, my roommate plows at Colony Place at exit 7...maybe that is 6mi N of my house at the most. They changed to a heavy wet snow and picked up 6 or 7 inches. I literally just missed out on this storm...crazy how that works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, #NoPoles said: I live at exit 3 off of rt3, my roommate plows at Colony Place at exit 7...maybe that is 6mi N of my house at the most. They changed to a heavy wet snow and picked up 6 or 7 inches. I literally just missed out on this storm...crazy how that works Ouch. I thought you'd do a little better..that r/s line was stubborn. Areas to my north and to my west about 10-15 miles had 2-3x more than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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