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This is a strange set up.. if 12z globals come in fine then great, but have an uneasy feeling as this is the moment of reckoning.. If things are going to turn unfavorable I think this run will tell us.. I have no reason to think they will other than we get screwed a lot of times..

 

If they come in fine... I think I would finally feel like it is a lock..

 

So, as we say, this is the most important set of runs all spring!

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Well because it's always fun to get a good NAMing. But, a good Euroing or GFSing is much more satisfying afterwards. We've got (and had) solid agreement between the two best globals. Assuming nothing dramatic changes on their 12z runs, we're basically down to details of changeover times, etc.

Ukie last night dropped over .60 qpf between 12-18z and it looks like all snow. I don't have ukie soundings but it looks pretty good. 6z gfs drops around .45 during that window and last night's euro dropped .55. Guidance is honing in on a good pasting after the column is solid.

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This is a strange set up.. if 12z globals come in fine then great, but have an uneasy feeling as this is the moment of reckoning.. If things are going to turn unfavorable I think this run will tell us.. I have no reason to think they will other than we get screwed a lot of times..

 

If they come in fine... I think I would finally feel like it is a lock..

 

So, as we say, this is the most important set of runs all spring!

I am sure everyone may have this uneasy feeling. I say it is March madness. If we get more consensus fine. If I get a ton of sleet rather than snow, well, it still is pretty cool.

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NAM MUCH, MUCH better around BWI-changes from sleet to snow prolly around 50 hrs. or Noon Thursday

48 hrs.-Sleet

LEV PRES  HGHT  TEMP  DEWP  RH  DD   WETB DIR SPD THETA THE-V THE-W THE-E   W     mb     m     C     C    %   C     C  deg knt   K     K     K     K    g/kg-------------------------------------------------------------------------------SFC 1014    46   0.4  -0.0  97  0.4   0.3 343   6 272.4 273.1 272.6 282.6  3.76  1 1000   160  -0.2  -0.9  95  0.7  -0.4 356  11 273.0 273.6 272.7 282.7  3.58  2  950   569  -3.6  -4.3  95  0.7  -3.9  13  17 273.5 274.0 272.0 281.5  2.91  3  900   993  -7.3  -8.5  91  1.2  -7.7  15  17 273.9 274.3 271.2 280.1  2.23  4  850  1438  -5.2  -5.8  95  0.6  -5.4 308  17 280.7 281.2 276.1 288.9  2.91  5  800  1916  -5.5  -5.8  97  0.4  -5.6 243   9 285.3 285.9 278.7 294.2  3.09  6  750  2425  -0.3  -0.3 100  0.0  -0.3 220  51 296.3 297.2 285.7 311.0  5.00  7  700  2982   1.6   1.5  99  0.1   1.5 231  82 304.2 305.4 289.6 322.7  6.10  8  650  3576  -1.6  -1.8  99  0.2  -1.7 235  85 307.1 308.1 289.7 323.1  5.18  9  600  4210  -5.2  -5.4  99  0.1  -5.3 237  87 310.1 310.9 289.8 323.4  4.27 10  550  4888  -8.8  -8.9  99  0.2  -8.8 244  91 313.7 314.4 290.3 325.0  3.54 11  500  5621 -13.3 -13.7  97  0.4 -13.5 245  97 316.8 317.3 290.4 325.5  2.65

51hrs.-ALL SNOW

LEV PRES  HGHT  TEMP  DEWP  RH  DD   WETB DIR SPD THETA THE-V THE-W THE-E   W     mb     m     C     C    %   C     C  deg knt   K     K     K     K    g/kg-------------------------------------------------------------------------------SFC 1017    46  -0.7  -2.0  91  1.3  -1.2  26  11 271.2 271.7 271.1 279.9  3.24  1 1000   180  -2.2  -3.1  94  0.9  -2.6  29  15 270.9 271.4 270.6 279.1  3.03  2  950   585  -6.0  -6.5  96  0.5  -6.2  38  19 271.1 271.5 269.8 277.8  2.46  3  900  1008  -7.3  -8.3  93  0.9  -7.7  72   5 273.9 274.3 271.3 280.2  2.27  4  850  1451  -8.0  -9.7  88  1.6  -8.5 319  10 277.7 278.1 273.3 283.8  2.15  5  800  1925  -6.4  -7.3  93  0.9  -6.7 270  13 284.3 284.8 277.7 292.2  2.76  6  750  2432  -2.5  -2.6  99  0.1  -2.5 229  41 293.9 294.6 283.9 306.3  4.22  7  700  2983  -0.5  -0.6  99  0.2  -0.5 233  74 302.0 302.9 288.0 317.7  5.23  8  650  3575  -1.6  -1.7  99  0.2  -1.7 237  85 307.2 308.1 289.7 323.1  5.18  9  600  4209  -4.9  -5.1  99  0.1  -5.0 241  91 310.4 311.3 290.0 324.1  4.38 10  550  4889  -8.8  -8.9  99  0.2  -8.8 243  90 313.7 314.4 290.3 325.0  3.54 11  500  5620 -14.7 -14.9  98  0.2 -14.8 243  97 315.1 315.6 289.6 323.0  2.41
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If anyone has an uneasy feeling it's because they think the nam is right. We couldn't be sitting in a better spot 48 hours out. Agreement of the models that should be taken seriously is virtually 100% with the exception of timing differences. I'm not sure what more could be asked for at 2 day leads.

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If anyone has an uneasy feeling it's because they think the nam is right. We couldn't be sitting in a better spot 48 hours out. Agreement of the models that should be taken seriously is virtually 100% with the exception of timing differences. I'm not sure what more could be asked for at 2 day leads.

That nuclear March sun angle after a 50 degree warm rain the day before doesn't help. Hopefully this stuff clumps to the trees at least.

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That nuclear March sun angle after a 50 degree warm rain the day before doesn't help. Hopefully this stuff clumps to the trees at least.

Torrential sleet and arctic air will encase the region in a shell of frozen ball bearings of epic proportions. Cars will roll uphill with their brakes on. World speed records will be set for flexible flyers and metal saucers. Emergency room will be SRO.

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If anyone has an uneasy feeling it's because they think the nam is right. We couldn't be sitting in a better spot 48 hours out. Agreement of the models that should be taken seriously is virtually 100% with the exception of timing differences. I'm not sure what more could be asked for at 2 day leads.

<JI> this map <JI>

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/45847-march-threatssnow-storms-pt-ii/?p=3449292

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That nuclear March sun angle after a 50 degree warm rain the day before doesn't help. Hopefully this stuff clumps to the trees at least.

 

meh... we've been in the icebox for a month. Not sure one 50 degree day really matters, especially with falling temps and +SN Thurs morning.

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That nuclear March sun angle after a 50 degree warm rain the day before doesn't help. Hopefully this stuff clumps to the trees at least.

 

Lol, my front yard is a glacier. The Potomac and Tidal Basin are frozen at the latest date in their history. The ground temp is below freezing and has been since early February. I doubt one day of 50 degrees for 6 hours is going to magically make it a toaster oven.

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Ukie last night dropped over .60 qpf between 12-18z and it looks like all snow. I don't have ukie soundings but it looks pretty good. 6z gfs drops around .45 during that window and last night's euro dropped .55. Guidance is honing in on a good pasting after the column is solid.

 

There is probably a warm layer in there for a couple hours.  But at this point we have enough guidance, that parsing when the ukie flips probably serves no purpose....It does paste us with frozen as you said.

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Torrential sleet and arctic air will encase the region in a shell of frozen ball bearings of epic proportions. Cars will roll uphill with their brakes on. World speed records will be set for flexible flyers and metal saucers. Emergency room will be SRO.

Yeah and this is the type of snow that will paste the trees and road signs easily. And yes stick to the streets even though it was warm the day before. It may take a little longer though.

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Much better solutions this AM! I wouldn't throw the NAM out altogether...more important to follow its trends toward the global solutions. Still have the uncertainty about the warm layer at H7-H8. That 1 degree difference will mean the world for snow vs sleet or both

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Torrential sleet and arctic air will encase the region in a shell of frozen ball bearings of epic proportions. Cars will roll uphill with their brakes on. World speed records will be set for flexible flyers and metal saucers. Emergency room will be SRO.

LOL! My in laws parked their car in the driveway last Sunday and when they went out the next day the car had slid down to the street! And I am thinking of Clark Griswalds sledding scene! LOL!

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