LeesburgWx Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago How we looking? Bust or Legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Morning discussion from LWX DISCUSSION... KEY MESSAGE 1...A strong cold front pushes across the forecast area Monday, bringing gusty winds and potential for severe thunderstorms capable of producing significant damaging winds and tornadoes. A possibly high-impact severe weather event may unfold across the Mid-Atlantic region today, especially during the afternoon to evening hours. The Storm Prediction Center has maintained the Moderate Risk (Level 4 out of 5) area which extends from east of the Blue Ridge Mountains to the Chesapeake Bay. The one exception to this is northeastern Maryland which is in an Enhanced Risk (Level 3 out of 5) given the cooler bay waters could weaken approaching convection. The early morning surface analysis depicts a stout cyclone racing across northern Indiana which is accompanied by a squall line which has jumped out ahead of the cold front. Closer to the local area, a wavy frontal zone arcs from just south of St. Marys County westward across Richmond and back into southern West Virginia. While surface wind vectors are out of the east, the primarly low-level steering flow is from the south. Light overrunning showers continue to lift northward through the region. The combination of weak forcing and ample low-level stability is yielding rather scant rainfall totals, generally averaging under 0.10 inches. Otherwise, low stratus will remain a fixture in the early morning forecast which comes with temperatures in the 50s to low 60s. Ample poleward flow within the warm conveyor belt should help push this warm front north of the Mason-Dixon Line by just after daybreak. While the 00Z IAD sounding is now outdated, its vertical wind profile indicates precisely why the severe threat has a high ceiling today. The 0-6 km wind fields were characterized by substantial cyclonic turning of the winds with height, coupled with surface backed flow. In the net, this sounding yielded a 0-1 km storm-relative helicity of 506 m2/s2 which is off the charts. However, the profile lacked any instability, particularly headed toward the more stable overnight hours. Despite only being 12 to 18 hours out, the 00Z high-resolution model suite continues to show timing and evolution differences. There are a couple of areas to keep a close eye on: (1) The squall line racing across eastern Kentucky/Ohio right now (331 AM) and (2) The low stratus deck in place. In terms of recovery, this low cloud deck will need to erode to allow the 500 to 750 J/kg of surface-based CAPE to materialize. All signs point toward gradual erosion of these stratus clouds, but it may take until after the noon hour. Even then, these could just be breaks in the clouds. Any additional insolation through the day will help increase instability in the presence of substantial vertical shear (0-6 km values around 55 to 65 knots). The other aspect of the forecast references the upstream squall line. How long this holds on and its cirrus canopy overspreading the region will also play some roles in how convective development evolves. With the degree of deep-layer shear in place, any of the pre- frontal discrete cells will pose a risk of becoming a supercell. These would be most conducive to producing a tornado, particularly if the enlarged 0-1 km and 0-3 km hodographs hold as true as forecast soundings depict. However, some of the high-resolution guidance show a slew of cells firing up at once which would favor more competition amongst them. This would diminish the tornado risk as multicell convection dominates. At the same time, another squall line is likely to form off the higher terrain this afternoon. While the vertical shear vector does not align perpendicular to the forming line, enough angle between the two should favor evolution into a quasi-linear convective system (QLCS). These are prone to producing spin up tornadoes along any kinks in the line. Where this line bows out is where the 70 to 80 mph wind gust possibliity will be maximized. All of this slides eastward at a fairly hefty speed, perhaps 40 to 50 mph. Severe convection is expected to near the I-95 corridor during the evening rush hour before exiting the Chesapeake Bay by the early/mid evening hours. Some weakening is possible east of I-95 as the system begins to ingest the colder Chesapeake Bay waters. Outside of convection, conditions will be gusty today as a deep surface low tracks across the Great Lakes. Strengthening southerly flow may gust to 30 to 40 mph, with gusts closer to 50 mph in the mountains. Additionally, this also could occur in northeastern Maryland given this region stays in the warm sector longer and perhaps free of convection. Wind Advisories are in place across these areas which may see 50 mph gusts outside of any convection. Eventually a powerful cold front will usher in a cold and blustery air mass to the region. Gusts may be strong enough in the mountains to support additional Wind Advisories. All and all, ensure everyone has multiple ways to receive hazardous weather information from the National Weather Service. When it comes to Tornado and Severe Thunderstorm Warnings, know where your safe place is and remain there until the storm has moved through and alerts have ended. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP08 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Absolutely pouring in that thin line over the beltway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Balmy, rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgWx Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago I’m ready for whatever today brings. Hoping for something noteworthy, but please don’t knock my trees down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailylurker Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Looks to me like a rainy morning. Ugh.. Hopefully this shit clears out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Breezy foggy showery - thats good for severe right? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstorilM Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just got into work (across from Sterling WFO) and it actually appears that this low cloud deck is rapidly thinning out behind the earlier showers. That line of showers wasn’t very dense and didn’t really fill in, at least where I live. I’m actually feeling a little better about this vs late last night when the high res models started the bust scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, dailylurker said: Looks to me like a rainy morning. Ugh.. Hopefully this shit clears out. HRRR has been rock steady since yesterday that we don't lose the clouds today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, EstorilM said: Just got into work (across from Sterling WFO) and it actually appears that this low cloud deck is rapidly thinning out behind the earlier showers. That line of showers wasn’t very dense and didn’t really fill in, at least where I live. I’m actually feeling a little better about this vs late last night when the high res models started the bust scenario. Water vapor satellite imagery is actually encouraging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, snowfan said: HRRR has been rock steady since yesterday that we don't lose the clouds today. Excellent, if true. 6 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 10z HRRR has some pre-line stuff and then a decent looking line later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailylurker Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Kmlwx said: 10z HRRR has some pre-line stuff and then a decent looking line later on. That doesn't sound that exciting lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgWx Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Clouds here are pretty thin right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, dailylurker said: That doesn't sound that exciting lol It actually tries for like 3ish rounds - I'm not sure I buy that but who knows. It has the pre-frontal stuff, a line in the afternoon, and then a frontal line it looks like of heavily forced showers with high winds. Has some UH swaths come through around 3-4pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailylurker Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Kmlwx said: It actually tries for like 3ish rounds - I'm not sure I buy that but who knows. It has the pre-frontal stuff, a line in the afternoon, and then a frontal line it looks like of heavily forced showers with high winds. I was hoping to chase down an EF3 with my work truck this afternoon over on the eastern shore. I need sunshine and super cells. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: It actually tries for like 3ish rounds - I'm not sure I buy that but who knows. It has the pre-frontal stuff, a line in the afternoon, and then a frontal line it looks like of heavily forced showers with high winds. Has some UH swaths come through around 3-4pm. Peak heating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstorilM Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: It actually tries for like 3ish rounds - I'm not sure I buy that but who knows. It has the pre-frontal stuff, a line in the afternoon, and then a frontal line it looks like of heavily forced showers with high winds. Yeah I'd much rather trade that in for two rounds lol - I think that first round might really ruin things for us, but who knows. My primary PWS in Middleburg is already 64 deg w/ DP of 62.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago My benchmark for crapvection in these events if 9-10am. If things look socked in by 9 or 10 am, it's often times a bust. If there's ANY breaks in sun by that time, it ramps the threat level up substantially. Even then, still ways it can be muted. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstorilM Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: My benchmark for crapvection in these events if 9-10am. If things look socked in by 9 or 10 am, it's often times a bust. If there's ANY breaks in sun by that time, it ramps the threat level up substantially. Even then, still ways it can be muted. lol that's exactly what I just told someone at work (re 9-10am we'll get a "feel" for the day so-to-speak.) Then again, there are still a LOT of ingredients at play here beyond cape. Mets seem to think there's sufficient lifting, so we may not be too dependent on daytime heating. It'll still be an interesting day regardless... and it looks like those winds will almost certainly mix down either way as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, Kmlwx said: My benchmark for crapvection in these events if 9-10am. If things look socked in by 9 or 10 am, it's often times a bust. If there's ANY breaks in sun by that time, it ramps the threat level up substantially. Even then, still ways it can be muted. Lwx said any clearing won’t be till after 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, TSSN+ said: Lwx said any clearing won’t be till after 12 More just my general baseline for days like today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hstorm Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 31 minutes ago, nj2va said: Excellent, if true. I don’t get why anyone roots for severe storms. Especially in populated areas. There are real people with real homes whose lives could be upended. My hope is for a complete bust. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmlwx Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, hstorm said: I don’t get why anyone roots for severe storms. Especially in populated areas. There are real people with real homes whose lives could be upended. My hope is for a complete bust. Every year we have the ethics debate. I can't speak for others - but I am not "rooting for severe storms" in the damage sense. I like interesting weather - and I/we/us have no control over it. If it's going to be a substantial severe day, I am going to track it with enthusiasm. Nothing we say or do is going to change the outcome. Consider this - firefighters on a quiet shift will welcome a call coming in... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago If for no other reason, I hope it’s not a total bust because schools and businesses are so reactive to the last event that I don’t want them to overcorrect the wrong way after all these early dismissals and closings. Then we get a slight risk in May and nobody does anything and there’s some bad results. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSN+ Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, WxUSAF said: If for no other reason, I hope it’s not a total bust because schools and businesses were so reactive to the last event that I don’t want them to overcorrect the wrong way after all these early dismissals and closings. Then we get a slight risk in May and nobody does anything and there’s some bad results. Not sure schools doing anything for a slight risk though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowenOutThere Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Drove back to uva this morning. Really has that high end potential feel in those showers I drove through. Pouring rain. Anywho, during some time on route 29 could see the cloud deck breaking up with sky above. Now at uva and can just see the low level clouds racing by. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasnow215 Posted 58 minutes ago Share Posted 58 minutes ago 6 hours ago, high risk said: It’s still a go in terms of the categories and percentages that they’re rolling with, but the actual text mentions multiple ways this could bust. So it could, or it couldn't. Solid forecast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxdude64 Posted 56 minutes ago Share Posted 56 minutes ago Decent squally type shower rolling thru here now at 8 am. Things already popping to the south with STW from Lynchburg/Roanoke to the south and down on the NC/TN line just south of Boone (where a TOR Warning just expired). Probably need a few breaks for some surface heating, but looks to be a rocking day, especially to the east. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasnow215 Posted 55 minutes ago Share Posted 55 minutes ago 22 minutes ago, TSSN+ said: Lwx said any clearing won’t be till after 12 Considering line doesn't come through til close to 8 that's plenty of time for more destabilization. The 9-10am thing is an opinion only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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