kat5hurricane Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, bluewave said: The first two weeks of the month were endless summer as they they were one of the warmest on record. Since the 15th we have been pretty close to average against the warmer 91-20 climate normals. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Mean Avg Temperature Sep 1 to Sep 14 Missing Count 1 1961-09-14 81.4 0 2 2023-09-14 79.0 0 3 1983-09-14 77.2 0 4 2015-09-14 76.9 0 5 1947-09-14 76.4 0 Time Series Summary for WESTCHESTER CO AP, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Mean Avg Temperature Sep 1 to Sep 14 Missing Count 1 1961-09-14 77.8 0 2 1983-09-14 74.6 0 3 2023-09-14 74.5 0 4 2015-09-14 73.7 0 5 2016-09-14 72.9 0 Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Mean Avg Temperature Sep 1 to Sep 14 Missing Count 1 2023-09-14 75.9 0 2 1983-09-14 74.1 0 3 2015-09-14 73.9 0 4 1980-09-14 73.1 0 5 2016-09-14 72.7 0 Yes but that was skewed heavily by Labor Day week being near record breaking warmth. The 2nd week of September and beyond was back closer to normal where it's been highs in the 70s for the most part. We're also in a climate now where "old normal" temps feel relatively cool because it's been so hot, especially due to the humidity, in recent years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, kat5hurricane said: Yes but that was skewed heavily by Labor Day week being near record breaking warmth. The 2nd week of September and beyond was back closer to normal where it's been highs in the 70s for the most part. We're also in a climate now where "old normal" temps feel relatively cool because it's been so hot, especially due to the humidity, in recent years. The 2nd week of the month was still pretty warm. But in our new warmer climate wasn’t as extreme as week 1. Data for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Max Temperature Min Temperature Avg Temperature Departure 2023-09-01 79 60 -4.3 2023-09-02 83 59 -2.6 2023-09-03 92 66 5.7 2023-09-04 93 72 9.4 2023-09-05 95 78 13.7 2023-09-06 97 77 14.5 2023-09-07 96 76 13.8 2023-09-08 92 73 10.5 2023-09-09 88 73 8.9 2023-09-10 81 70 4.2 2023-09-11 85 72 7.5 2023-09-12 87 69 7.3 2023-09-13 83 71 6.7 2023-09-14 81 63 2.0 2023-09-15 74 58 -3.6 2023-09-16 79 60 0.2 2023-09-17 79 56 -1.4 2023-09-18 70 62 -2.5 2023-09-19 77 59 -0.1 2023-09-20 78 58 0.3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 62 / 50 off a low of 50. Last mainly clear and dry day for a bit. Pattern is kind of stuck up into the east the Atlantic ridge is anchored east of Bermuda acting to slow any front and forcing cut off / ULL under the ridge. Whats it mean - a likely very wet period the next week to 10 days before overall warmer period sets into early October. Wouldnt shock me to see 5 - 10 inches of rain 9/23 - 10/1 in spots. Check those gutters, drains, sump pumps and streets. Here's the initiation of the ST system off the old frontal boundary east of Georgia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanic Winter Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Nice cool low of 48 this AM. I’ve been running about 6-7 degrees below forecasted lows for the TR station, where I am tucked into the Manchester border of TR radiates extremely well and is the northern edge of the pine lands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, bluewave said: The 2nd week of the month was still pretty warm. But in our new warmer climate wasn’t as extreme as week 1. Data for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Max Temperature Min Temperature Avg Temperature Departure 2023-09-01 79 60 -4.3 2023-09-02 83 59 -2.6 2023-09-03 92 66 5.7 2023-09-04 93 72 9.4 2023-09-05 95 78 13.7 2023-09-06 97 77 14.5 2023-09-07 96 76 13.8 2023-09-08 92 73 10.5 2023-09-09 88 73 8.9 2023-09-10 81 70 4.2 2023-09-11 85 72 7.5 2023-09-12 87 69 7.3 2023-09-13 83 71 6.7 2023-09-14 81 63 2.0 2023-09-15 74 58 -3.6 2023-09-16 79 60 0.2 2023-09-17 79 56 -1.4 2023-09-18 70 62 -2.5 2023-09-19 77 59 -0.1 2023-09-20 78 58 0.3 With two full days of astronomical summer left, Newark is sitting in 10th place for astronomical summer. One caveat, realize the dates can vary by about a day in either direction, but this analysis uses the period June 21 to date for ease of comparison. Prior to 2005, only two warmer astronomical summers are noted (1993 & 1983). While it's in 10th place out of 124 years of data, it is only in third place out of the past three years and seventh place of the past 14 years. So very warm historically - as I noted, it would have been 3rd warmest prior to 2005 - but only about on par for the past decade and a half. And possibly with it being only the 3rd warmest since 2021, it may be a cool astronomical summer in the current climate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Records: Highs: EWR: 90 (1940) NYC: 95 (1895) - very hot late septemeber heatwave peaks tomorrow LGA: 89 (1940) Lows: EWR: 39 (1946) - first sub 40 record low since May 30 NYC: 40 (1871) LG: 43 (1956) Historical: 1894 - A heavy chicken house, sixteen by sixteen feet in area, was picked up by a tornado and wedged between two trees. The hens were found the next day sitting on their eggs in the chicken house, with no windows broken, as though nothing had happened. (The Weather Channel) 1894: A late season severe weather outbreak occurred across northwest Iowa, south central Minnesota and southwestern Wisconsin during the late evening hours. Several communities were impacted by this outbreak with an estimated 55 to 65 deaths, and in additional 300 injuries. The strongest tornado was an estimated F5, which tore through the counties of Kossuth, Hancock, Winnebago in Iowa, and Faribault in Minnesota. 1924: A couple of tornadoes, one rated F4 and the other F5, tore paths of devastation through Eau Claire, Clark, and Taylor Counties in Wisconsin. The death toll was 18 and 50 people were injured. 1938 - A great hurricane smashed into Long Island and bisected New England causing a massive forest blowdown and widespread flooding. Winds gusted to 186 mph at Blue Hill MA, and a storm surge of nearly thirty feet caused extensive flooding along the coast of Rhode Island. The hurricane killed 600 persons and caused 500 million dollars damage. The hurricane, which lasted twelve days, destroyed 275 million trees. Hardest hit were Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Long Island NY. The ""Long Island Express"" produced gargantuan waves with its 150 mph winds, waves which smashed against the New England shore with such force that earthquake-recording machines on the Pacific coast clearly showed the shock of each wave. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel) 1954 - The temperature at Deeth, NV, soared from a morning low of 12 degrees to a high of 87 degrees, a record daily warm-up for the state. (The Weather Channel) 1987 - Tropical Storm Emily, which formed in the Carribean the previous afternoon, caused considerable damage to the banana industry of Saint Vincent in the Windward Islands. Unseasonably hot weather continued in Florida and the western U.S. Redding CA and Red Bluff CA, with record highs of 108 degrees, tied for honors as the hot spot in the nation. (The National Weather Summary) 1988 - Thunderstorms produced high winds and locally heavy rain in the southwestern U.S. One thunderstorm in west Texas produced wind gusts to 86 mph at Dell City completely destroying an airport hangar. A Cessna 150 aircraft housed within the hangar was flipped over and snapped in two. Thunderstorms produced large hail in east central Utah, while snow blanketed some of the higher elevations of the state. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Hurricane Hugo slammed into the South Carolina coast about 11 PM, making landfall near Sullivans Island. Hurricane Hugo was directly responsible for thirteen deaths, and indirectly responsible for twenty-two others. A total of 420 persons were injured in the hurricane, and damage was estimated at eight billion dollars, including two billion dollars damage to crops. Sustained winds reached 85 mph at Folly Beach SC, with wind gusts as high was 138 mph. Wind gusts reached 98 mph at Charleston, and 109 mph at Shaw AFB. The biggest storm surge occurred in the McClellanville and Bulls Bay area of Charleston County, with a storm surge of 20.2 feet reported at Seewee Bay. Shrimp boats were found one half mile inland at McClellanville. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1938 LI Express Hurricane : https://www.weather.gov/okx/1938HurricaneHome 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: With two full days of astronomical summer left, Newark is sitting in 10th place for astronomical summer. One caveat, realize the dates can vary by about a day in either direction, but this analysis uses the period June 21 to date for ease of comparison. Prior to 2005, only two warmer astronomical summers are noted (1993 & 1983). While it's in 10th place out of 124 years of data, it is only in third place out of the past three years and seventh place of the past 14 years. So very warm historically - as I noted, it would have been 3rd warmest prior to 2005 - but only about on par for the past decade and a half. And possibly with it being only the 3rd warmest since 2021, it may be a cool astronomical summer in the current climate. It’s the first time since 1983 with the warmest annual temperature occurring in September without tying with an earlier month. Monthly Highest Max Temperature for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Season 2023 93 90 91 96 91 97 M 97 2022 88 98 96 102 101 93 76 102 2021 89 96 103 97 99 91 84 103 2020 69 86 93 96 94 89 79 96 2019 80 90 93 99 94 93 96 99 2018 84 94 96 98 96 98 82 98 2017 87 94 99 98 93 92 86 99 2016 83 96 91 99 98 94 87 99 2015 82 91 93 98 97 98 81 98 2014 83 88 92 96 93 95 79 96 2013 85 94 96 101 91 96 89 101 2012 88 92 99 104 95 92 81 104 2011 87 92 102 108 98 88 88 108 2010 92 95 98 103 98 98 79 103 2009 93 87 89 91 95 86 77 95 2008 82 87 99 98 91 92 79 99 2007 86 94 96 97 95 92 89 97 2006 83 94 95 98 101 85 82 101 2005 88 84 97 101 102 94 81 102 2004 88 92 97 91 92 87 76 97 2003 88 81 95 95 93 82 78 95 2002 97 90 96 100 100 91 86 100 2001 87 94 95 97 105 88 83 105 2000 78 94 96 93 92 88 82 96 1999 83 90 99 103 99 88 76 103 1998 74 90 94 98 93 92 79 98 1997 74 86 97 101 97 86 88 101 1996 88 99 92 91 92 92 78 99 1995 82 90 97 104 98 91 85 104 1994 92 95 102 99 95 92 78 102 1993 82 93 102 105 100 100 82 105 1992 79 98 90 97 95 90 83 98 1991 88 93 97 102 96 95 82 102 1990 94 83 92 98 93 91 88 98 1989 79 89 96 99 97 97 80 99 1988 74 94 101 101 99 86 81 101 1987 79 98 96 97 97 87 75 98 1986 80 95 94 100 90 89 85 100 1985 89 92 89 94 97 94 80 97 1984 77 89 97 95 93 88 82 97 1983 85 84 96 98 97 99 84 99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 We now have invest 99L. Ship guidance has it going up to 65 kts! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Hodographs looks interesting for Saturday afternoon, especially along the immediate coast. We should see bands rotating in off the ocean capable of water spouts coming onshore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 6z Euro with more coming for the coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, BucksCO_PA said: It's skewed because Bluewave cherry picks the warmest sites in the area not to mention Islip only has a POR back to 1964 which is really weak to reference from a historical standpoint. Looking at all the official Mt Holly / Upton climate sites the 3 locations he listed are shockingly the top 3 warmest relative to average this month. Newark ASOS location is abysmal, running 2.6 - 2.7 degrees warmer than Harrison & Caldwell for Sept. For Sept Newark is +4.5, HPN is +3.9 & Islip is +3.8 while LGA, NYC, Bridgeport, Trenton & Atlantic City are all under +3. Allentown is only +1.3 for the month. The departures and warmth rankings at Newark are identical to the rest of the region so no cherry pick involved. I only do that in deference to the large contingent of our posters that live in NJ. So yes the absolutes are usually higher in NJ. But warmth rankings are the same around the whole region. The first two weeks of September were near the warmest on record around the entire upper MA to NE region. https://www.nrcc.cornell.edu/wxstation/perspectives/perspectives.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 hours ago, bluewave said: I know you have been a supporter of having the CMC on your side when making a forecast. I would have to say the model is the most Improved since recent upgrades. I wish we had a east coast storm statistical storm tracker which would score the models solely on forecasting the most accurate track. These Northern Hemispheric skill scores don’t tell us much about which model get our storm tracks right. But the skill on a hemispheric scale is great for temperature and teleconnection forecasts. Good to know the general stats and agree w you on need for more dstorm track detail! I tend to support the GFS in summer due to convection being handled pretty well by the GFS but this is more of a winter synoptic pattern so the CMC has a good chance of being reasonably accurate as compared to GFS/EC op. Ensembles have saved our bacon, I think, in too much trimming northern fringe. Other short term modeling soon comes into forecasting play by this time tomorrow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, wdrag said: Good to know the general stats and agree w you on need for more dstorm track detail! I tend to support the GFS in summer due to convection being handled pretty well by the GFS but this is more of a winter synoptic pattern so the CMC has a good chance of being reasonably accurate as compared to GFS/EC op. Ensembles have saved our bacon, I think, in too much trimming northern fringe. Other short term modeling soon comes into forecasting play by this time tomorrow. I think I can remember an AFD out of Mount Holly mentioning they had been evaluating which models were scoring best with storm tracks one winter in the last 5 years or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, MJO812 said: 6z Euro with more coming for the coast Depending on how strong invest 99L gets, there can be some decent winds along the coast as there's a pretty tight pressure gradient between the LP and strong high to the north-northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Active Systems: The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Hurricane Nigel, located over the central subtropical Atlantic. 1. Off the Southeastern United States Coast (AL99): Updated...A trough of low pressure located several hundred miles east of the Florida peninsula continues to produce a large area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms. A non-tropical low pressure system is expected to form within this area by early Friday, and there are increasing chances that this system could acquire some tropical or subtropical characteristics on Friday or early Saturday while it moves generally northward toward the coast of North Carolina. Regardless of tropical or subtropical development, this low is likely to bring tropical storm force winds, heavy rain, coastal flooding, and high surf to portions of the southeast and mid-Atlantic United States coastline on Friday and into the weekend. Tropical Storm watches or warnings could be required for this system as soon as later this morning. Additional information on this system, including storm and gale warnings, can be found in High Seas Forecasts and products from your local National Weather Service office. * Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...medium...50 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 58 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said: Nice cool low of 48 this AM. I’ve been running about 6-7 degrees below forecasted lows for the TR station, where I am tucked into the Manchester border of TR radiates extremely well and is the northern edge of the pine lands. The cooler mornings over the last week feel pretty good compared to how warm the month started out. Even the UHI areas have had min departures in line with more rural areas. Data for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Min Temperature Min Temperature Departure 2023-09-15 58 -6.8 2023-09-16 62 -2.5 2023-09-17 62 -2.1 2023-09-18 64 0.2 2023-09-19 61 -2.4 2023-09-20 61 -2.1 Data for New Brunswick Area, NJ (ThreadEx)Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Min Temperature Min Temperature Departure 2023-09-15 55 -2.0 2023-09-16 54 -2.6 2023-09-17 49 -7.2 2023-09-18 56 0.2 2023-09-19 54 -1.4 2023-09-20 51 -4.0 2023-09-21 50 -4.5 Data for POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, PAClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Min Temperature Min Temperature Departure 2023-09-15 47 -3.0 2023-09-16 45 -4.7 2023-09-17 45 -4.3 2023-09-18 51 2.0 2023-09-19 43 -5.6 2023-09-20 41 -7.3 Data for DANBURY MUNICIPAL AP, CTClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Min Temperature Min Temperature Departure 2023-09-15 51 -1.7 2023-09-16 50 -2.3 2023-09-17 46 -6.0 2023-09-18 60 8.4 2023-09-19 51 -0.2 2023-09-20 46 -4.9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristateweatherFB Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 No one? Anyone? The nam doing what the nam does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 GFS with the least amount of rain---while the CMC {not shown} extends into NYS to Canada with the 1"+: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, tristateweatherFB said: No one? Anyone? The nam doing what the nam does NAM is a CAT 1 hitting Wilmington, NC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 This should be fun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 yesterday at this time was doom and gloom storm was not going to be much now what a difference today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 12Z NAM-still raining over most of the area at the end of the run - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, NJwx85 said: This should be fun PRE going on right there. Taken verbatim could be a notable flooding event for parts of the forum. Still a ways to go before final solution comes into better focus and this is the NAM after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Ugh... On the upside, today is spectacular! Get out and do something 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, MANDA said: PRE going on right there. Taken verbatim could be a notable flooding event for parts of the forum. Still a ways to go before final solution comes into better focus and this is the NAM after all. The pre could have some gusty winds with it as the isobars are elongated northward and has a decent pressure gradient (yes yes, I have a wind fetish). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 Goes from NC to LI by way of philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 8 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: Looks like Euro went in this direction too Also pretty remarkable how our supposed endless summer just sort of ended. Looks quite cool (highs at least) moving forward. Looks like around October 1st is when above normal temps come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Tropical storm warnings issued to just offshore the jersey coast. Local HWO outlines heavy rain, gusty winds, coastal flooding and beach erosion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, mob1 said: Tropical storm warnings issued to just offshore the jersey coast. Local HWO outlines heavy rain, gusty winds, coastal flooding and beach erosion. High wind watches too for SNJ and DE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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