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October Discussion: Bring the Frost-Hold the Snow


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1 minute ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Need another 10-12 days for all need seed to germinate in Bedford mass . 
 

looking forward to Wed-Fri low 70’s

Germination will take longer with cooler days.  I would have held off seeding where you are till next year.  A good rule is you want to seed about 45 days ahead of your 1st frost.  That would put your area at 1st week of September as optimal time period.

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maybe a pricey season for home heating dependencies upon oil - which lets face it ...directly or indirectly that's everything.

the intricacies of energy-economics will do whatever it can to justify inflating gas and electric pricing to go along with because they wanna get rich off this thing too - lol,  but we'll see -

not sure if anyone's paying attention but the world's really closer to a brink-economic collapse due to a break-down of supply-demand logistical circuitry, then many may be aware.  folks are kinda 'tuning out' on the calamity drama, needing a pandemic time out - but in this window there's bit of unawareness it seems.  it's just a little emergent property and consequence of the Pandemic's lagged correlation impacts.  but that's an extension of the point.

that all means we'd better hope the N-branch of the westerlies yields to a some sort of La Nina southern stream ...which would tend to bend the flow S over the Great Basin and wave spacing then lending to ridging in the east but oh wait!  Damn, that means winter may suck.  Lol... 

Nice, the pandemic: gift that keeps on giving.  f*ed in either direction.  

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3 hours ago, Spanks45 said:

32.2⁰, valley fog put an end to the temp drop....got the first frost though

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Before us up north!  Coldest in Stowe was during dynamic cooling yesterday evening.  Clouds and wind kept overnight in the low 40s.

Every cold shot has been cloudy and mixed up north.

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2 hours ago, PhineasC said:

Only down to 36 overnight here. I am really starting to wonder when we will hit 32 at this point. These overnight mins are ridiculous and it’s been like this for a while now. 

You must radiate a bit better than your neighbors in that field which is nice though.  39F for today’s min on wunderground station (Broadacres Farm on Randolph Hill 1600ft, currently 42F) and that Cocorahs guy 38F.

Makes sense, would think your field gets a bit colder.  Every degree helps.

Need clear skies for frost.  Clouds and wind every night.

 

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33 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

You must radiate a bit better than your neighbors in that field which is nice though.  39F for today’s min on wunderground station (Broadacres Farm on Randolph Hill 1600ft, currently 42F) and that Cocorahs guy 38F.

Makes sense, would think your field gets a bit colder.  Every degree helps.

 

That Broadacres Farm building is down the hill right on rt 2 towards the lower town. It's definitely not higher than me. Not sure why they are reporting that elevation unless they have their PWS a couple miles away up this way?

They tend to run pretty close to the Appalachia station which should be at the trailhead across rt2 for the Presidentials (to the left of this picture).

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The CoCoRaHS guy does his measurements in the woods which causes issues and inflates his snow depth late in the season, IMO.

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25 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

maybe a pricey season for home heating dependencies upon oil - which lets face it ...directly or indirectly that's everything.

the intricacies of energy-economics will do whatever it can to justify inflating gas and electric pricing to go along with because they wanna get rich off this thing too - lol,  but we'll see -

not sure if anyone's paying attention but the world's really closer to a brink-economic collapse due to a break-down of supply-demand logistical circuitry, then many may be aware.  folks are kinda 'tuning out' on the calamity drama, needing a pandemic time out - but in this window there's bit of unawareness it seems.  it's just a little emergent property and consequence of the Pandemic's lagged correlation impacts.  but that's an extension of the point.

that all means we'd better hope the N-branch of the westerlies yields to a some sort of La Nina southern stream ...which would tend to bend the flow S over the Great Basin and wave spacing then lending to ridging in the east but oh wait!  Damn, that means winter may suck.  Lol... 

Nice, the pandemic: gift that keeps on giving.  f*ed in either direction.  

The inflationary dynamics should sort of pinch the middle class higher and higher up as the years go by , especially if they don’t own any real estate or financial assets that may inflate with inflation .

Right now we see fewer and fewer willing to take 10-14$ / hour jobs as Pre pandemic ...the risk/reward of “having a job” and working 40 hours just to pay almost all your money to afford a 1 br rental with cheap food and gas money Sorta isn’t there .

Much easier to try and move back in with XYZ , play the I’m “finding my self / career” card as long as one can , or maybe they just have very welcoming /lonely  parent / Parents who encourage them to or have an open door . Either way many Millennials are voting to not slave away at a service sector dead end job ..just so they can put it all toward a 1500$ 1 BR and gas money and cable . Probably also realizing that if they took the bait and paid 150K for a liberal arts degree (since you need to have a degree / any degree ) the jokes on them 

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8 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

The inflationary dynamics should sort of pinch the middle class higher and higher up as the years go by , especially if they don’t own any real estate or financial assets that may inflate with inflation .

Right now we see fewer and fewer willing to take 10-14$ / hour jobs as Pre pandemic ...the risk/reward of “having a job” and working 40 hours just to pay almost all your money to afford a 1 br rental with cheap food and gas money Sorta isn’t there .

Much easier to try and move back in with XYZ , play the I’m “finding my self / career” card as long as one can , or maybe they just have very welcoming /lonely  parent / Parents who encourage them to or have an open door . Either way many Millennials are voting to not slave away at a service sector dead end job ..just so they can put it all toward a 1500$ 1 BR and gas money and cable . Probably also realizing that if they took the bait and paid 150K for a liberal arts degree (since you need to have a degree / any degree ) the jokes on them 

How many people you know got a 5.7% pay hike this year?  Cause if you didn't you actually got a pay cut from inflation.

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2 hours ago, PhineasC said:

Only down to 36 overnight here. I am really starting to wonder when we will hit 32 at this point. These overnight mins are ridiculous and it’s been like this for a while now. 

Evening temps say frost in the morning.  Then the clouds come in and the breeze hangs around and we barely get under 40.  Yesterday's 50/35 was 2° BN, ending a 14-day run of AN.  We have slight chances of 1st frost tomorrow and Thursday mornings, after that it would be next week.  Previous latest for 1st frost was 10/6/2011, and the other 22 years it came in September.  Just can't get any good radiation to stick around.

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51 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

That Broadacres Farm building is down the hill right on rt 2 towards the lower town. It's definitely not higher than me. Not sure why they are reporting that elevation unless they have their PWS a couple miles away up this way?

They tend to run pretty close to the Appalachia station which should be at the trailhead across rt2 for the Presidentials (to the left of this picture).

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The CoCoRaHS guy does his measurements in the woods which causes issues and inflates his snow depth late in the season, IMO.

That makes sense.  They are both just the visible stations in that area.  That Broadacres one looks like it’s in your backyard on Wunderground :lol:.

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNHRANDO11

That station is pretty identical to Alex’s at 1550 or whatever.  Looks like Alex’s area had a low of 39-40F too.  

It varies so much, same around here.

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19 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

That makes sense.  They are both just the visible stations in that area.  That Broadacres one looks like it’s in your backyard on Wunderground :lol:.

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNHRANDO11

That station is pretty identical to Alex’s at 1550 or whatever.  Looks like Alex’s area had a low of 39-40F too.  

It varies so much, same around here.

Yea, and you can get bootleg min/max readings that the PWS hits for like 5 minutes too. If my PWS spits out 36 for a couple mins and then bounces back to 38 it’s hard to say there was any discrepancy there. Just a passing pocket of cold air or something. LOL

I see this all the time here in the winter where the high was 35 but it was 30 the entire time except for a brief spike at 2 PM. Not exactly a big melt day. 

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