Fall Banter and General Discussion

[CoastalWx]

1 minute ago, radarman said:

3 years ago at the San Diego airport on the day before Thanksgiving (busiest travel day of the year?) rather than take shoes off and go through the body scanner, they just made everybody walk past 3 dogs.  Dogs were happy, you were good.  And straight on through we went.  Was a breeze.

I wonder why more wouldn’t do that? You’d think if that worked, more airports would do it. 

[WhitinsvilleWX]

1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

If you think about what they are actually eliminating with body scans and shoes being taken off, it's not 9/11 type threats. Those were eliminated with cockpit door reinforcements.

The "threat" they are mitigating is maybe a random wack job who tries and puts C4 in his shoe or tries to hide a non-metal knife in his pocket that metal detectors wouldn't pick up....or someone who wants to light a bottle of shampoo on fire by hiding flammable liquid in it. When you stop to think how ridiculous these are compared to the extra steps beyond just walking through the metal detector and putting your bags through x-ray machine (these were the pre-9/11 procedures), it starts to make more (or less?) sense.

 

And I’m not sure how 4 oz is a danger and 3 isn’t. That’s the kind of stupid shit that pisses people off. Kinda like a mask mandates to outside when you 1000 feet away from another human. Ridiculous stuff like that make people mad and not want to do the stuff that does make some sense.

[Baroclinic Zone]

So risk not getting the vaccine and contracting Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

Or receive the vaccine and risk contracting Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

 

[CoastalWx]

3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

If you think about what they are actually eliminating with body scans and shoes being taken off, it's not 9/11 type threats. Those were eliminated with cockpit door reinforcements.

The "threat" they are mitigating is maybe a random wack job who tries and puts C4 in his shoe or tries to hide a non-metal knife in his pocket that metal detectors wouldn't pick up....or someone who wants to light a bottle of shampoo on fire by hiding flammable liquid in it. When you stop to think how ridiculous these are compared to the extra steps beyond just walking through the metal detector and putting your bags through x-ray machine (these were the pre-9/11 procedures), it starts to make more (or less?) sense.

 

It’s definitely an extremely low risk type event that those steps prevent. 
I get more aggravated at the people who don’t know the rules like emptying your pockets and looking like they robbed RadioShack before they did so. Why the eff would you travel with all that shit in your pockets?

[WhitinsvilleWX]

Just now, Baroclinic Zone said:

So risk not getting the vaccine and contracting Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

Or receive the vaccine and risk contracting Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

 

Helluva choice, huh??

 

[PhineasC]

Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Helluva choice, huh??

 

#StayHomeStaySafe

[Lava Rock]

18 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

In Mass, flu vaccination now required for school by Dec 3.  That's a new one...     Edit: Dec 31... fat fingers

total BS

[ORH_wxman]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I wonder why more wouldn’t do that? You’d think if that worked, more airports would do it. 

It's because they are giving up something for doing that. Dogs are excellent explosive detectors, but they can't see if you hide a non-metal knife in your pocket like a body scanner can. I agree it's pretty silly to waste time searching for non-metal weapons, but that's the game.

 

[PhineasC]

6 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

And I’m not sure how 4 oz is a danger and 3 isn’t. That’s the kind of stupid shit that pisses people off. Kinda like a mask mandates to outside when you 1000 feet away from another human. Ridiculous stuff like that make people mad and not want to do the stuff that does make some sense.

Government one-size-fits-all broad brush mandates tend to work like that. Everyone ends up unhappy with the generic committee solution.

[Baroclinic Zone]

2 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Helluva choice, huh??

 

It is but I'd gladly take the vaccine over contracting the virus.

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

#StayHomeStaySafe

We know you are up in NH.

Meanwhile I'm out an about everyday interacting with my clients, wearing a mask when I'm around them, but going about my day to day job.

[CoastalWx]

3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

It's because they are giving up something for doing that. Dogs are excellent explosive detectors, but they can't see if you hide a non-metal knife in your pocket like a body scanner can. I agree it's pretty silly to waste time searching for non-metal weapons, but that's the game.

 

I do agree about the non metal stuff. Especially since the plastic is cheap Chinese crap anyways. Can snap it with my wrist.  

[OSUmetstud]

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/jacobson-v-massachusetts-reiss

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

Sorry I had mentioned a mandated polio vaccine earlier. It was smallpox. 

[CoastalWx]

Just now, Baroclinic Zone said:

It is but I'd gladly take the vaccine over contracting the virus.

We know you are up in NH.

Meanwhile I'm out an about everyday interacting with my clients, wearing a mask when I'm around them, but going about my day to day job.

I don’t understand what some are arguing. Open up, but don’t take the vaccine because of risks? 

[PhineasC]

Just now, Baroclinic Zone said:

It is but I'd gladly take the vaccine over contracting the virus.

We know you are up in NH.

Meanwhile I'm out an about everyday interacting with my clients, wearing a mask when I'm around them, but going about my day to day job.

I am fortunate that I can hide out from the virus in style. That's why I am not being a massive hypocrite demanding people who have to work with customers every day shut themselves down and destroy their livelihoods to make me feel even better.

[OSUmetstud]

I think the liquid requirement is for an acetone-peroxide type bomb. I agree its pretty silly. 

[PhineasC]

Just now, CoastalWx said:

I don’t understand what some are arguing. Open up, but don’t take the vaccine because of risks? 

I think anyone who wants the vaccine should be able to take it, but once you take it the restrictions need to be lifted. That's the tradeoff. The virus is very, very low risk to most people. Asking them to take a vaccine requires something in exchange, IMO. That's having their old freedoms back.

I also don't think shaming people for being scared of this rushed vaccine and calling them idiots is fair either. There are reasons to be wary about how this has been developed and will be rolled out. The damn liberal governor of NY and VP-elect are saying the same thing. It's not just a fringe weirdo viewpoint.

I personally would take the vaccine if offered to me. If only to calm a few of the older folks in my sphere who are very scared of the virus. I don't expect it will be offered to me for a long while, however.

[Baroclinic Zone]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I don’t understand what some are arguing. Open up, but don’t take the vaccine because of risks? 

Neither do I. 

[WhitinsvilleWX]

We’ll probably get access to it fairly soon. We’re all speculating they’ll require it for onsite work. That, or take a test 2 times a week. 

[CoastalWx]

Just now, PhineasC said:

I think anyone who wants the vaccine should be able to take it, but once you take it the restrictions need to be lifted. That's the tradeoff. The virus is very, very low risk to most people. Asking them to take a vaccine requires something in exchange, IMO. That's having their old freedoms back.

I also don't think shaming people for being scared of this rushed vaccine and calling them idiots is fair either. There are reasons to be wary about how this has been developed and will be rolled out. The damn liberal governor of NY and VP-elect are saying the same thing. It's not just a fringe weirdo viewpoint.

I personally would take the vaccine if offered to me. If only to calm a few of the older folks in my sphere who are very scared of the virus. I don't expect it will be offered to me for a long while, however.

I think it’s fine to be wary. I certainly would like to wait and see as well. As far as restrictions, you’ll have to figure out a way to prove people have it. Or just say that after a certain percentage of people have it, then lift restrictions?

For me, it’s the family in my life and not wanting to get side effects for 6+ months if I do get it. A local met is actually talking about this after he got it in the spring. All set with that. 

[BrianW]

I still think alot of people could be completely immune to it through t-cell immunity. I have heard countless stories from friends/family of someone testing positive/symptomatic with it but nobody else getting in the house. 

English study suggests T cells could be sufficient to protect from COVID-19

The study on nearly 3,000 people, conducted by Oxford Immunotec and Public Health England (PHE), found that no participants with a high T cell response developed symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection when researchers followed up with them.

That compares to 20 confirmed infections among participants who saw low T cell responses.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-tcell-idUSKBN27Q001

[ORH_wxman]

Just now, CoastalWx said:

I think it’s fine to be wary. I certainly would like to wait and see as well. As far as restrictions, you’ll have to figure out a way to prove people have it. Or just say that after a certain percentage of people have it, then lift restrictions?

For me, it’s the family in my life and not wanting to get side effects for 6+ months if I do get it. A local met is actually talking about this after he got it in the spring. All set with that. 

I think a certain amount of time after it has been available to everyone is the fairest route. Tracking who has taken it is a train wreck. For the sake of argument, lets say it is finally available to everyone in March (I assume high risk will have already had the option to take it before this), by June, you should have no restrictions at all. If you are still scared of the virus months later, then you can shelter away or decide to take the vaccine. If you don't take the vaccine, that's your problem, not society's.

[PhineasC]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I think it’s fine to be wary. I certainly would like to wait and see as well. As far as restrictions, you’ll have to figure out a way to prove people have it. Or just say that after a certain percentage of people have it, then lift restrictions?

For me, it’s the family in my life and not wanting to get side effects for 6+ months if I do get it. A local met is actually talking about this after he got it in the spring. All set with that. 

I am someone who has always been fine with a national ID card. Probably just because my job means the Feds already know everything about me, and I already carry a Federal ID anyway. I would be fine with that ID having info about my vaccination status, if I so choose.

But I know that isn't the answer for the vast majority of people and would lead to terrible govt overreach. I think what you and will said about it being based on a timeline and availability widely is the only way to handle this.

[PhineasC]

Just now, ORH_wxman said:

I think a certain amount of time after it has been available to everyone is the fairest route. Tracking who has taken it is a train wreck. For the sake of argument, lets say it is finally available to everyone in March (I assume high risk will have already had the option to take it before this), by June, you should have no restrictions at all. If you are still scared of the virus months later, then you can shelter away or decide to take the vaccine. If you don't take the vaccine, that's your problem, not society's.

I am just not convinced that mother hen govt is simply going to let people "make it their own problem" if they don't take the vaccine. Does that sound like something Cuomo, Newsom, or Whitmer would say? LOL well, maybe Cuomo.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

25 minutes ago, Lava Rock said:

total BS

Next they’ll require parents of school kids to get it.

[ORH_wxman]

Just now, PhineasC said:

I am just not convinced that mother hen govt is simply going to let people "make it their own problem" if they don't take the vaccine. Does that sound like something Cuomo, Newsom, or Whitmer would say? LOL well, maybe Cuomo.

This is getting too political for here.......but I mean, maybe they would? These people are still going to be driven by public sentiment at the end of the day. Some people will probably want to stay in lockdown mode, but I think you will see the groundswell start to occur in the opposite direction after a certain amount of time has passed with the vaccine widely available. You're also going to have cases plummeting because of this. That's going to be a very hard tide to fight and most politicians care about one thing....their jobs.

The only difficulty I can foresee with the lifting of restrictions is if the vaccine isn't available to enough people yet.

[PhineasC]

Just now, ORH_wxman said:

This is getting too political for here.......but I mean, maybe they would? These people are still going to be driven by public sentiment at the end of the day. Some people will probably want to stay in lockdown mode, but I think you will see the groundswell start to occur in the opposite direction after a certain amount of time has passed with the vaccine widely available. You're also going to have cases plummeting because of this. That's going to be a very hard tide to fight and most politicians care about one thing....their jobs.

The only difficulty I can foresee with the lifting of restrictions is if the vaccine isn't available to enough people yet.

We don't need to debate it here. I am a cynic and a bit of a conspiracy theorist when it comes to govt power. We will see what happens. Fingers crossed I am wrong for everyone's sake.

[SJonesWX]

1 hour ago, CoastalWx said:

It’s like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters. We know it will help defeat Gozer, but there might be unknown risks.

I always knew that you were the keymaster 

[HIPPYVALLEY]

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

We don't need to debate it here. I am a cynic and a bit of a conspiracy theorist when it comes to govt power. We will see what happens. Fingers crossed I am wrong for everyone's sake.

[WhitinsvilleWX]

Man, we booked down here. 2 hours. Already starting the decent.

[backedgeapproaching]

5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

We don't need to debate it here. I am a cynic and a bit of a conspiracy theorist when it comes to govt power. We will see what happens. Fingers crossed I am wrong for everyone's sake.

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