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Summer Banter, Observation and General Discussion 2018

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7 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

Tired of the mentally ill sympathy card that is given out. Scumbag. Mental illness is an issue for millions of people across the country less than .0001% of them shoot people. Fuk him

Kind of agree. And then we just keep piling more and more meds into them. I think proper health and nutrition would solve a lot of these mild/moderate mentally ill cases too. idk...it just feels like we tackle so many issues bass ackwards.

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  23 hours ago, dendrite said:

This iceberg should be locked up and not free to roam the ocean.

 

 

23 hours ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

It may be too late. He had a checkered past too with multiple melts. 

 

With multiple melts, it would be qualified to post here.

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1 hour ago, Whineminster said:

This guy was obviously mentally ill, I think addressing that needs to be part of the equation as well. 

Only 3-5 percent of violent crimes is attributed to serious mental illness. One ‘could’ say however that anyone committing a violent crime is mentally ill, ie “something is seriously wrong with that person”. So there is definately a grey area. Hard to say.

This is close to me as I lost a great person and a close friend to a mental disorder that was improperly diagnosed. The majority of mentally ill people are more harmful to themselves and are far more likely to be a victim than the perp. The problem and stigma of mental illness comes from ‘large’ tragedies like Newtown and Vegas. Anyway you slice it, it needs more attention and care. The human mind is fragile.

Here is a great article post Las Vegas shooting:

http://www.amhca.org/blogs/joel-miller/2017/10/03/gun-violence-and-mental-illnessmyths-and-evidence-based-facts

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6 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

Only 3-5 percent of violent crimes is attributed to serious mental illness. One ‘could’ say however that anyone committing a violent crime is mentally ill, ie “something is seriously wrong with that person”. So there is definately a grey area. Hard to say.

This is close to me as I lost a great person and a close friend to a mental disorder that was improperly diagnosed. The majority of mentally ill people are more harmful to themselves and are far more likely to be a victim than the perp. The problem and stigma of mental illness comes from ‘large’ tragedies like Newtown and Vegas. Anyway you slice it, it needs more attention and care. The human mind is fragile.

Here is a great article post Las Vegas shooting:

http://www.amhca.org/blogs/joel-miller/2017/10/03/gun-violence-and-mental-illnessmyths-and-evidence-based-facts

And in other news, the owners of the Mandalay Bay Hotel  have filed suit against the shooting victims.

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1 hour ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

As usual he is wrong. He has forgotten the mess  the country was in when Obama took office. And he has forgotten and/or ignoring the fact that the vast majority of recessions have occurred when a republican has been in office. Here is today's safest bet....I bet he enjoyed the recovery in his 401K account during the Obama years.  I highly doubt he donated the gains to charity to make a point against Obama. The money is still festering in his 401K account. And when the next recession hits his 401K account will be TORCHED!! 

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1 hour ago, Ginx snewx said:

Tired of the mentally ill sympathy card that is given out. Scumbag. Mental illness is an issue for millions of people across the country less than .0001% of them shoot people. Fuk him

I"m not saying I'm giving him a sympathy card, he still knew what he was doing. 

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6 hours ago, dendrite said:

Kind of agree. And then we just keep piling more and more meds into them. I think proper health and nutrition would solve a lot of these mild/moderate mentally ill cases too. idk...it just feels like we tackle so many issues bass ackwards.

Mental illness is a tough nut to crack.  A really good friend (lived together for years) had a brother who had mental health issues and could completely separate himself from reality with the right trigger.

The family would bring him to the local hospital when he would have these episodes and it was the hospital policy that he had to be admitted for 24 hours for observation.  He could be completely normal 98% of the time and then off the deep end the other 2%... including getting violent.  So this one night he starts to show signs that he would go into one of these episodes...the family brings him to the hospital and for some reason, the hospital cleared him to leave after seeing him.  Every other time they kept him for 24 hours of observation when this would happen.  But not on this night.

A couple hours later that evening after getting home from the hospital, he murdered his mom (my good friend and roommates mom as well, seeing as they were brother/sister).  The next morning he had no recollection of it at all when the State Police questioned him.  I was home when my friend got that phone call and I'll never forget that moment in my life, when someone found out their sibling killed their mother.  That was about the saddest funeral you could ever think of.  And all the while, everyone asking why the hospital released him when every single time before that it was a mandatory 24 hour stay.  Needless to say, that hospital's insurance company paid up as if they just followed their own policy of observation period, my friend's mother would still be here.

How do you combat that?  No idea because what if in that mental state, the police were called and he killed a police officer or multiple people?  He obviously didn't want to kill his mother, he loved his mother, but he was completely detached from reality at that point in time.

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1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

Mental illness is a tough nut to crack.  A really good friend (lived together for years) had a brother who had mental health issues and could completely separate himself from reality with the right trigger.

The family would bring him to the local hospital when he would have these episodes and it was the hospital policy that he had to be admitted for 24 hours for observation.  He could be completely normal 98% of the time and then off the deep end the other 2%... including getting violent.  So this one night he starts to show signs that he would go into one of these episodes...the family brings him to the hospital and for some reason, the hospital cleared him to leave after seeing him.  Every other time they kept him for 24 hours of observation when this would happen.  But not on this night.

A couple hours later that evening after getting home from the hospital, he murdered his mom (my good friend and roommates mom as well, seeing as they were brother/sister).  The next morning he had no recollection of it at all when the State Police questioned him.  I was home when my friend got that phone call and I'll never forget that moment in my life, when someone found out their sibling killed their mother.  That was about the saddest funeral you could ever think of.  And all the while, everyone asking why the hospital released him when every single time before that it was a mandatory 24 hour stay.  Needless to say, that hospital's insurance company paid up as if they just followed their own policy of observation period, my friend's mother would still be here.

How do you combat that?  No idea because what if in that mental state, the police were called and he killed a police officer or multiple people?  He obviously didn't want to kill his mother, he loved his mother, but he was completely detached from reality at that point in time.

The data is all out there if people wanna look/research ... There was a huge shift in our culture, several decades back and ..well, either the majority of all people, or the people they elected ( I suspect the latter) were no longer willing to fund asylum healthcare any longer. 

The whole spectrum of mental health, from detection to diagnosis, management to logistics has suffered since for a lack of sufficient funding. 

It's amazing THAT isn't placed under the popular microscope ... nearly so much as we do the drama that cracks off at the other end of the perpetrator's gun. When so much of it .. really could have been, by a based canvas of awareness and proactive response to the collective, moral obligation to the civility we are [supposed to] serve... been prevented,

There it is. Essentially, the fault of the collective society that demonstrated greed and providence over wealth before yet another concern that deals with public health - go f'n figure.

Let's make America great again, eh?  

 

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2 hours ago, powderfreak said:

Mental illness is a tough nut to crack.  A really good friend (lived together for years) had a brother who had mental health issues and could completely separate himself from reality with the right trigger.

The family would bring him to the local hospital when he would have these episodes and it was the hospital policy that he had to be admitted for 24 hours for observation.  He could be completely normal 98% of the time and then off the deep end the other 2%... including getting violent.  So this one night he starts to show signs that he would go into one of these episodes...the family brings him to the hospital and for some reason, the hospital cleared him to leave after seeing him.  Every other time they kept him for 24 hours of observation when this would happen.  But not on this night.

A couple hours later that evening after getting home from the hospital, he murdered his mom (my good friend and roommates mom as well, seeing as they were brother/sister).  The next morning he had no recollection of it at all when the State Police questioned him.  I was home when my friend got that phone call and I'll never forget that moment in my life, when someone found out their sibling killed their mother.  That was about the saddest funeral you could ever think of.  And all the while, everyone asking why the hospital released him when every single time before that it was a mandatory 24 hour stay.  Needless to say, that hospital's insurance company paid up as if they just followed their own policy of observation period, my friend's mother would still be here.

How do you combat that?  No idea because what if in that mental state, the police were called and he killed a police officer or multiple people?  He obviously didn't want to kill his mother, he loved his mother, but he was completely detached from reality at that point in time.

Sad story and so many like it....whether it’s murder, physical, or mental abuse. We are so quick to throw the next prescription med at someone (billions of dollars at stake which is a separate issue) but we often neglect their basic human needs. It is obvious and simple to many but some need that extra attention just to get by on a daily basis....and I don’t know what the answer is.

While mental health awareness has increased, mainly because of tragedies (Spade and AB’s suicides for example), we still have a long way to go considering many people suffering from mental illness do not have the resources for assistance. No insurance, no help. And those that do have the financial/insurance resources take many years to find the ‘right’ combination to live a decent life. They struggle immensely beforehand, and there’s collateral damage until they do....lose relationships, struggle in school, lose work, abuse alcohol and drugs to cope....leads to more crime, homelessness...these are the TRUE ‘forgotten people’ of America.  

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13 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

The data is all out there if people wanna look/research ... There was a huge shift in our culture, several decades back and ..well, either the majority of all people, or the people they elected ( I suspect the latter) were no longer willing to fund asylum healthcare any longer. 

The whole spectrum of mental health, from detection to diagnosis, management to logistics has suffered since for a lack of sufficient funding. 

It's amazing THAT isn't placed under the popular microscope ... nearly so much as we do the drama that cracks off at the other end of the perpetrator's gun. When so much of it .. really could have been, by a based canvas of awareness and proactive response to the collective, moral obligation to the civility we are [supposed to] serve... been prevented,

There it is. Essentially, the fault of the collective society that demonstrated greed and providence over wealth before yet another concern that deals with public health - go f'n figure.

Let's make America great again, eh?  

Putting the blame on societal greed seems overly simplistic.  The de-institutioning movement was also fueled by medical specialistas who opined that it would allow clients to re-enter society as productive members.  Unfortunately, the follow-up was underfunded (societal greed was indeed a factor) and the crucial halfway houses triggered mongo NIMBY-ism.  Thus, within a year or two of Augusta "freeing" most residents of AMHI, the city had to spring for a million or so to have tall screening installed on both sides of the high bridge, to deter suicides.  The patients' rights movement, a good thing all in all, also had unintended consequences, as those with mental issues could and did refuse meds and therapy at will, sometimes with violent outcomes.

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3 hours ago, tamarack said:

Putting the blame on societal greed seems overly simplistic.  The de-institutioning movement was also fueled by medical specialistas who opined that it would allow clients to re-enter society as productive members.  Unfortunately, the follow-up was underfunded (societal greed was indeed a factor) and the crucial halfway houses triggered mongo NIMBY-ism.  Thus, within a year or two of Augusta "freeing" most residents of AMHI, the city had to spring for a million or so to have tall screening installed on both sides of the high bridge, to deter suicides.  The patients' rights movement, a good thing all in all, also had unintended consequences, as those with mental issues could and did refuse meds and therapy at will, sometimes with violent outcomes.

They didn't want to spend the money - that is intrinsically an act of fiduciary reclamation ... Some may believe that's presented agenda before the alter of virtuosity, but for me ... I doubt that shift was totally virtuous - it is what it is... we'll leave it at that. 

Look, it's greed via indirection.  No one was freezing programs, then ...pocketing the money - if that's the simplicity you have in mind.  The economic machinery has many cogs, and the meshing of those cogs ... wanted the funds allocated elsewhere - do the math on where and why.  Fine, it is what it is...  But usually, the incentive of attacking social programs is because sectors of society don't want to part company with their money - that is inherently a process of greed.  So ..ironically, in a way you are right - the motivating part that is, it is simple...   

As far as the re-entering society as protective this or that... Yeah, not hard to see that's the typical tactic, a beguiling mantra that's really designed to get to a goal by manipulating.   The argument doesn't add up logically for me. To say 're-entering society as productive members', as though that were a positive re-course?  Recourse for what, for whom?  People that talk to dogs that ask them to shoot up people in parked cars?  No...that would have to mean the entire scientific sphere of mental health acted in shocking incompetence.  That's not what happened... 

 

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6 hours ago, dendrite said:

Did WU get rid of their METARs recently? TWC destroyed that site. What a shame.

I did notice that on my map on the WU app that there is no longer any airport ASOS temperatures that I can click on to get the official obs from. Idk if this is just some setting on my app that needs to be changed or if everyone is having this issue. Is anybody else not getting the airport ASOS on the WU temperature map?

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3 hours ago, BombsAway1288 said:

I did notice that on my map on the WU app that there is no longer any airport ASOS temperatures that I can click on to get the official obs from. Idk if this is just some setting on my app that needs to be changed or if everyone is having this issue. Is anybody else not getting the airport ASOS on the WU temperature map?

I noticed the number of stations on the wundermap has been halved.

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10 hours ago, dendrite said:

Did WU get rid of their METARs recently? TWC destroyed that site. What a shame.

Yup.  That was my go to site.  Now I use the MesoWest Site

4 hours ago, BombsAway1288 said:

I did notice that on my map on the WU app that there is no longer any airport ASOS temperatures that I can click on to get the official obs from. Idk if this is just some setting on my app that needs to be changed or if everyone is having this issue. Is anybody else not getting the airport ASOS on the WU temperature map?

Yup.  ASOS stations are gone.  Only PWS seem to be left

25 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

I noticed the number of stations on the wundermap has been halved.

Unusable

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Wundermap had been unstable for me on multiple devices for years. As Bob said...unusable.

Those old archived airport obs were great and easy to search.

I think I'm about done sending my wx station data there. I'll be part of CWOP and that's it. After 13 years they finally lost me.

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Just now, dendrite said:

Wundermap had been unstable for me on multiple devices for years. As Bob said...unusable.

Those old archived airport obs were great and easy to search.

I think I'm about done sending my wx station data there. I'll be part of CWOP and that's it. After 13 years they finally lost me.

That was the big reason to use the site as well.  Where do we go for archived data now?

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2 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Looks like ISU goes back a lot further. I think this will be my new go-to for archived obs.

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/request/download.phtml

They have Nov 1950 in there for CON so that's a pretty decent archive. Must be similar to WU.

CON	1950-11-25 17:00	KCON 251700Z 07033KT 6SM -RA CLR 07/03 A//// RMK SLP217 T00720033
CON	1950-11-25 18:00	KCON 251800Z 07030KT 3SM -RA 07/04 A//// RMK SLP196 T00720039
CON	1950-11-25 19:00	KCON 251900Z 07030KT 3SM -RA CLR 07/04 A//// RMK SLP183 T00670044
CON	1950-11-25 20:00	KCON 252000Z 07030KT 3SM -RA CLR 07/04 A//// RMK SLP173 T00670044
CON	1950-11-25 21:00	KCON 252100Z 07035KT 21/2SM -RA 07/06 A//// RMK SLP163 T00670056
CON	1950-11-25 22:00	KCON 252200Z 07041KT 2SM -RA CLR 07/06 A//// RMK SLP149 T00720056
CON	1950-11-25 23:00	KCON 252300Z 07042KT 21/2SM -RA CLR 07/06 A//// RMK SLP139 T00720061
CON	1950-11-26 00:00	KCON 260000Z 07036KT 2SM -RA 07/06 A//// RMK SLP122 T00720061
CON	1950-11-26 01:00	KCON 260100Z 07035KT 1SM -RA CLR 08/07 A//// RMK SLP122 P0001 T00780067
CON	1950-11-26 02:00	KCON 260200Z 07040KT 1SM RA CLR 08/07 A//// RMK SLP098 P0006 T00780067
CON	1950-11-26 03:00	KCON 260300Z 11039KT 1SM RA 08/07 A//// RMK SLP071 P0013 T00780067
CON	1950-11-26 04:00	KCON 260400Z 09049KT 1SM RA CLR 08/07 A//// RMK SLP064 P0025 T00830072
CON	1950-11-26 05:00	KCON 260500Z 04050KT 11/2SM -RA CLR 09/08 A//// RMK SLP034 P0019 T00890078
CON	1950-11-26 06:00	KCON 260600Z 04054KT 2SM -RA FG 09/08 A//// RMK SLP020 P0009 T00890078
CON	1950-11-26 07:00	KCON 260700Z 09052KT 11/2SM RA FG CLR 11/09 A//// RMK SLP000 P0013 T01060094
CON	1950-11-26 08:00	KCON 260800Z 14035KT 5/8SM +RA FG CLR 10/10 A//// RMK SLP027 P0024 T01000100
CON	1950-11-26 09:00	KCON 260900Z 09024KT 1SM +RA FG 11/10 A//// RMK SLP027 P0054 T01060100
CON	1950-11-26 10:00	KCON 261000Z 14015KT 11/4SM RA FG CLR 06/06 A//// RMK SLP037 P0034 T00610056
CON	1950-11-26 11:00	KCON 261100Z 14009KT 11/4SM RA FG CLR 06/06 A//// RMK SLP051 P0020 T00610056

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