2026-2027 Super El Nino

[40/70 Benchmark]

27 minutes ago, George001 said:

DC-NYC yeah but Boston is a bit different in that average snowfall is in the  low 40s, so our area really needs either 1 big one + several smaller events or 2 big ones. In super ninos we don’t usually see those smaller ones, and the bigger ones tend to be more Miller A due to the strong southern jet which often run inland a bit and rain in Boston or go out to sea. Thats why these super ninos tend to be not great for us. Not only do we not get those minor events that add up in super ninos, the storm track when the big one does hit if it does often screws us. It’s basically the opposite of the southern mid Atlantic, they tend to get fucked over by Miller Bs and clean up in miller As, coastal SNE cleans up in miller Bs and often gets fucked over in miller As. This is a big reason why I’m not too thrilled about the upcoming super Nino for my area, but we will see how things play out. Metfan was saying in the other thread some of the long range seasonal guidance was showing a coastal track, I’d like to see that on guidance come November.

The only super El Nino that was decent here is 1982.

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I will say, we are due for a break, so I would not at all be shocked if this one turned out okay...like 1982. Cold, no (at least not sustained)...but some good storms, yes.

[snowman19]

There is about to be a massive warming surge….  @bluewave @donsutherland1 @LakePaste25 @csnavywx @forkyfork@40/70 Benchmark
 

 

 

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

1 hour ago, snowman19 said:

There is about to be a massive warming surge….  @bluewave @donsutherland1 @LakePaste25 @csnavywx @forkyfork@40/70 Benchmark
 

 

 

 

Okay, I guess this means it will correct itself in the other direction next year, and 2027 will have a cooling that rival years like 1998 and 2010.

[Stormchaserchuck1]

49 minutes ago, PhiEaglesfan712 said:

Okay, I guess this means it will correct itself in the other direction next year, and 2027 will have a cooling that rival years like 1998 and 2010.

I don't think so, we are still "evening out" a 27-year period of more than 50% La Nina's (RONI). And the subsurface in the west is not as cold as 1997 was at this time. You seem to think we are overdue for a Strong La Nina but I think +ENSO is the tendency going forward as it's more about the cumulative, so if a Moderate Nina is the average follow up of a Super Nino, I think it will only be a Weak Nina. We'll see. 

[LakePaste25]

2 minutes ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

I don't think so, we are still "evening out" a 27-year period of more than 50% La Nina's (RONI). And the subsurface in the west is not as cold as 1997 was at this time. You seem to think we are overdue for a Strong La Nina but I think +ENSO is the tendency going forward, so if a Moderate Nina is the average follow up of a Super Nino, I think it will only be a Weak Nina. We'll see. 

Yes, most climate models have us getting more frequent el niño events in the long term. Major caveat though - it will likely take stronger events to overcome W Pac forcing/warm pool so more Ninos doesn’t necessarily translate to more Aleutian Lows 1:1.

[snowman19]

[mitchnick]

1 hour ago, snowman19 said:

 

This month's Euro seasonal doesn't look that impressed for hurricanes/tropical systems beyond climo, with only the eastern Pacific showing a slightly higher frequency while all areas down in the intensity (ACE) department, except western Pacific where it forecasts straight climo. 

[olafminesaw]

[MarcmmKU]

On 6/10/2026 at 3:37 PM, snowman19 said:

I mentioned it a week or so ago, but +QBO/El Nino (regardless of strength) Decembers are an extremely strong signal for warmth. Since 1980, there have been 6 +QBO/Nino Decembers and they were all warm, some were all out blowtorches

December 2004?

[MarcmmKU]

19 hours ago, George001 said:

DC-NYC yeah but Boston is a bit different in that average snowfall is in the  low 40s, so our area really needs either 1 big one + several smaller events or 2 big ones. In super ninos we don’t usually see those smaller ones, and the bigger ones tend to be more Miller A due to the strong southern jet which often run inland a bit and rain in Boston or go out to sea. Thats why these super ninos tend to be not great for us. Not only do we not get those minor events that add up in super ninos, the storm track when the big one does hit if it does often screws us. It’s basically the opposite of the southern mid Atlantic, they tend to get fucked over by Miller Bs and clean up in miller As, coastal SNE cleans up in miller Bs and often gets fucked over in miller As. This is a big reason why I’m not too thrilled about the upcoming super Nino for my area, but we will see how things play out. Metfan was saying in the other thread some of the long range seasonal guidance was showing a coastal track, I’d like to see that on guidance come November.

Who said Boston's a big city (I kid)

[PhiEaglesfan712]

It's interesting that the QBO has swung wildly every year this decade:

2020-21: solid +QBO

2021-22: solid -QBO

2022-23: solid +QBO

2023-24: solid -QBO

2024-25: solid +QBO

2025-26: solid -QBO

2026-27: solid +QBO?

[bluewave]

16 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

I don't think so, we are still "evening out" a 27-year period of more than 50% La Nina's (RONI). And the subsurface in the west is not as cold as 1997 was at this time. You seem to think we are overdue for a Strong La Nina but I think +ENSO is the tendency going forward as it's more about the cumulative, so if a Moderate Nina is the average follow up of a Super Nino, I think it will only be a Weak Nina. We'll see. 

Yeah, the La Ninas have been getting weaker following super El Niños since the early 1970s.

This past La Niña was the weakest on record following the 2023-2024 super El Niño. Also the first time that Nino 1+2 didn’t fully cool off between super El Niño events.

This lead to the more Nino-like December 2024 with the record +PNA. While the STJ and Nino 1+2 warming were relatively weak vs the Northern Stream, the Gulf Coast got an historic snowstorm in January 2025. 

Super El Niño ONI and the lowest ONI in the years following 

NDJ 72…..+2.1

NDJ 73……-2.0

NDJ 82…….+2.2

NDJ 84…….-1.1

NDJ 97…..+2.4

NDJ 99…..-1.7

NDJ 15……+2.8

NDJ 17…..-0.9

NDJ 23…..+2.1

NDJ 25…..-0.5

[GaWx]

The latest CFSv2 release has actually cooled ~0.15 to 0.20 vs that from the start of June for the periods starting with JJA:

June 1st release: relative peak ~+3.0 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.25 DJF

Today’s release: relative peak ~+2.8 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.1 DJF

[mitchnick]

3 minutes ago, GaWx said:

The latest CFSv2 release has actually cooled ~0.15 to 0.20 vs that from the start of June for the periods starting with JJA:

June 1st release: peak ~+3.0 (OND)

Today’s release: peak ~+2.8 (OND)

From someone who has, for better or worse, followed the Cfs2 forecast follies over the years, the  bias corrected SSTA plumes have almost always been more accurate, whether warmer or cooler. Fwiw

[snowman19]

1 hour ago, GaWx said:

The latest CFSv2 release has actually cooled ~0.15 to 0.20 vs that from the start of June for the periods starting with JJA:
June 1st release: relative peak ~+3.0 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.25 DJF


Today’s release: relative peak ~+2.8 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.1 DJF

@forkyfork I wonder what the models will show once this current WWB and the new DWKW that has formed does their “dirty work”? There is some major strengthening and warming about to come

And once the +IOD gets going, it’s going to constructively interfere with the El Nino/Bjerknes feedback

 

 

 

 

[FPizz]

4 hours ago, snowman19 said:

 

If you read the comments from the original poster of the video, there are pics from the 1950s of boats catching them in the same region.  So it has happened before and reading other comments it doesn't seem like this is a very rare thing, but doesn't happen yearly.

[GaWx]

1 hour ago, snowman19 said:

 

 Just to clarify to insure appropriate context:

-There’s no doubt that currently Nino 3.4 is very warm for so early in the year. But keep in mind that Eliot’s chart showing the current warmth is from a combination of GW and El Nino. On that basis, it’s clear that Nino 3.4 is by a good margin the warmest on record.

-But the best way to compare to past years as far as just El Niño component, itself, is to look at the relative anomalies for the same point in the year. Currently, relative 3.4 is ~+1.0. I’ll now compare to other weeklies, which go back to 1982:

09JUN1982      1.0

11JUN1997        0.8

10JUN2015        0.6

14JUN2023       0.4

 So, going back to 1982, 2026 is currently near the warmest on record about tied with 1982, which is itself obviously quite notable.

 To go back further, I need to look at relative monthlies. So, these won’t give as precise a comparison, but they’re still worth mentioning. Currently, the CFS is projecting June of 2026 to be ~+0.95. I’ll now compare to some past June relatives:

1957   6   1.13

1965   6   1.09 

1972   6   0.98

 So, 2026 is projected for June, alone, to be slightly cooler than 1957/1965 and ~same as 1972.

 So, folks need to be careful to not let others deceive you. The current El Niño strength is by no means out on its own and is instead in the general vicinity of 1982, 1972, 1965, and 1957 for the warmest since 1950.

 Going back further is less reliable for comparison purposes. But per Eric Webb’s MJJ 3.4 anomalies, one could argue that 1877, 1902, 1905, and 1941 could have easily been similar, if not warmer than 2026 in mid June. There’s a good chance that 1877 was a bit warmer and some chance that 1905 was slightly warmer in mid June.

 

[snowman19]

[GaWx]

 Today’s -29 is the 33rd straight day with a sub -5 SOI. Tomorrow will make 34. That’s pretty historic because that will make it the 3rd longest sub -5 streak on record back to 1991! The only two longer ones were in 1997-8 and they were extremely long: 51 and 42 days, respectively.

 The beauty of the SOI is that it doesn’t appear to be strongly affected by CC. Thus it doesn’t need a RONI-like adjustment to remain a good indicator of ENSO strength.

[Typhoon Tip]

6 hours ago, snowman19 said:

 

except for those two peaks that are higher 

[Typhoon Tip]

Oh, I think I know what he meant - it just wasn’t at first clear he meant the 3 SD itself 

[csnavywx]

On 6/10/2026 at 5:55 AM, PhiEaglesfan712 said:

The 3 el ninos in the 82-92 period were all robust, though. The 88-89 la nina happened after the 2nd event. That's the only time really that robust el ninos were so close to each other. It will be interesting to see, after this el nino event, if the same pattern follows, and get such a strong la nina.

It's possible. I'm kind of leaning that way this time since we're likely to get a fully coupled and canonical ('97-like) full warm pool discharge and it will take some time for that to recover.

[snowman19]

 

The WPAC DWKW looks real healthy now…..

 

[GaWx]

 Despite being steady last 7 days, I predict that 3.4 will warm by 0.3 in Mon’s update because of how the weeks compare.

[roardog]

8 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 Despite being steady last 7 days, I predict that 3.4 will warm by 0.3 in Mon’s update because of how the weeks compare.

Does it look like the extreme -SOI will continue? It'll be interesting to see how low the 30 day average will go?

[GaWx]

2 minutes ago, roardog said:

Does it look like the extreme -SOI will continue? It'll be interesting to see how low the 30 day average will go?

 Models are suggesting -SOI will lessen. There’s chance -SOI will end 6/16. If so, could be 6 days of +SOI before goes back -.

 Guessing per models

6/14: -15 to -20

6/15: -6 to -13

6/16: +5 to -6

6/17: +8 to -5

6/18: +16 to +1

6/19: +21 to +4 (the high point)

6/20-4 should drop back down and get back to negative by 6/21-2

 

 

 

 

[mitchnick]

It was last year at this time when the PDO started its dump. Interesting to see if we repeat. I know Larry uses Ncep(?) numbers, but I  think they pretty much followed the same trend as this graph. Feel fee to correct me Larry. 

[GaWx]

1 minute ago, mitchnick said:

It was last year at this time when the PDO took its dump. Interesting to see if we repeat. I know Larry uses Ncep(?) numbers, but I  think they pretty much followed the same trend as this graph. Feel fee to correct me Larry. 

Yes, ncep ~-0.75 to -1 vs WCS

[Maestrobjwa]

41 minutes ago, GaWx said:

Yes, ncep ~-0.75 to -1 vs WCS

Sheesh...what do we have to wait another decade to get outta this? Boo, lol