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4 minutes ago, Bostonseminole said:


Stay afraid bro, most of us moved on and ready to enjoy life


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I am already out here. Whenever you are ready to "enjoy life" again you will find me and many like me already doing so. We'll make room for you at the bar, and you can still wear your mask, we won't make fun of you (too much).

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1 hour ago, Hoth said:

The company isn't "rapidly developing" anything. That's typical Elon BS, like when he said there would be a million level five autonomous Tesla robo-taxis on the road by the end of 2020. Or when he said the Tesla factory would be like an "alien dreadnought" with machines moving so fast you would need a strobe light to see them. Instead, he builds cars mostly by hand in a tent. He is the ultimate snake-oil salesman. Tesla's R&D spending is a joke. They've been losing engineering and executive talent to their rivals for years. If they had top notch battery tech, they wouldn't need to source them from Panasonic or CATL. Nor would independent testing find that they habitually overstate the battery range in their cars. They are getting taken apart by incumbent manufacturers in battery tech, driver assist and are losing more market share by the day. They've had to slash their asking price per car 13% in the last year to move metal. They are absolutely fundamentally a car company, and an abysmally run one at that.

Their solar division is the neglected stepchild. Elon coerced Tesla's board into buying out SolarCity because it was insolvent. Consultants opined that it was not a going concern, and suggesting lining up DIP financing--they could not drum up interest in a takeover from a single PE shop. Its demise would have destroyed Elon's and his family's stake, as well as $200 million of SpaceX venture cap money that he had parked in SolarCity bonds. Default would've likely brought down SpaceX too. So Elon threw his weight around and claimed how synergistic and game-changing the merger would be, then paid an excessive premium for the moribund company that paid off his cousins handsomely and got him and the board sued by Tesla shareholders. After Tesla acquired it, solar panel installations plunged. Dig through their reports and look at the kilowatt hours installed. They're minute compared to five years ago. Their panels have been plagued by installation problems and fires. Go read reviews from customers. Scathing almost universally. The so-called "game-changing" solar roof, which is immensely difficult to install and often costs six figures, is hardly a viable solution for 99.9% of the populace. There are maybe a hundred in existence, and that is generous.

As for SpaceX, they've done some cool engineering stuff. The Falcon is a reliable workhorse and Elon can't afford to cut corners with it, especially if they are transporting humans. Dead astronauts mean intense government scrutiny, which is the last thing he wants. But let's be clear, as a business, it is still a money loser built on clearly wrong assumptions. How many companies do you know that still need venture capital after 20 years of operation? A company that old should be mature enough to stand on its own, go public and allow VCs to parachute out, but not SpaceX. That alone tells me it is probably hemorrhaging cash like every other project Musk touches. The whole yarn about how reusing the booster would save so much money on launches was BS too. After all the recovery, repairs and inspections are done, it's every bit as expensive as a disposable launch vehicle, even if the landing boosters are cool. In fact, Space X recently was the most expensive per-launch bidder for a recent contract. The whole constellation of internet satellites Elon bloviates about occasionally is just another pretext for raising more money, all the while filling low earth orbit with space junk. They are not launching astronauts to the moon. The NASA SLS booster will be doing the lifting. SpaceX got a contract for the rendezvous once they reach the moon.

I've never heard of a Tesla car fire making the U.S. news. China, yes. But a car with no driver slamming into a tree and killing its occupants is certainly newsworthy, especially when that car company's CEO has been criminally exaggerating the capabilities of its driver assist software for years. You see videos all over the internet of idiots pulling stunts like this; who knows how many others have gotten themselves killed by trusting faulty software and will get other innocent bystanders killed before a regulator steps in and says enough is enough.

These are not companies that are changing the world for the better. These are companies that survive by syphoning billions in taxpayer subsidies, and raising billions more in new capital from gullible investors who can be duped into believing fanciful narratives. Without historically loose money, and no hurdle rate for investment, Tesla and SpaceX would probably have been consigned to the dustbin of business history long ago.

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I am already out here. Whenever you are ready to "enjoy life" again you will find me and many like me already doing so. We'll make room for you at the bar, and you can still wear your mask, we won't make fun of you (too much).

I was never much of a bar or restaurant person so nothing has really changed for me. After July last year, life has been pretty much normal for me except for the mask wearing and not traveling for work or to Canada. I don’t know anyone who has not been pretty much back to normal since late last year.

 

 

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Just now, Bostonseminole said:


I was never much of a bar or restaurant person so nothing has really changed for me. After July last year, life has been pretty much normal for me except for the mask wearing and not traveling for work or to Canada. I don’t anyone who has not been pretty much back to normal since late last year.


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You must not know people who travel overseas, attend concerts, attend sporting events, go to movie theaters, or have school-age children in many places. Or anyone who runs a business associated with these things. Otherwise, yeah it's normal aside from the masks.

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I think phin is the one who watches too much news.. his view is distorted of what is really happening out there. he thinks that folks are still hiding out. Life has been back to normal for months. Market is strong out there, retailers can’t fill jobs fast enough etc etc. shit we can’t fill jobs fast enough at my company.


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2 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Pretty good In here tonite 

TSLA stock is an enigma to me 

I am certainly not a fan of autonomous driving , Maybe I’ll be proven wrong but the whole idea seems totally unnecessary, careless and a recipe for horrific accidents .

I’m heavily invested in ev and green energy but Musk ain’t one. Maybe it’s because I’m not a fan of his con man attributes which admittedly skews my thinking but I don’t get good long term vibes from the company. I’ll probably kick myself a decade from now knowing the market isn’t an integrity contest though. 

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You must not know people who travel overseas, attend concerts, attend sporting events, go to movie theaters, or have school-age children in many places. Or anyone who runs a business associated with these things. Otherwise, yeah it's normal aside from the masks.

I did say no travel for work.. but I’m ok with that. I don’t miss it. I have school age children. Kids are back to school here.


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10 hours ago, PhineasC said:

The US has done much better with the vaccines than nations with socialized medicine such as Canada.

Cursory surmise on that ... it’s a disadvantage when needing to move quickly when the whole social structure has to move in an en masse... i.e bureaucratic limitation is obviously going to be speed.

Contrasting ...free markets with a common vision ending up at a non-competitive goal ( or ~ less competitive )... rare as that may be, will be faster for being unencumbered during the entire life cycle of product evolution to delivery. 
 

 

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I’m heavily invested in ev and green energy but Musk ain’t one. Maybe it’s because I’m not a fan of his con man attributes which admittedly skews my thinking but I don’t get good long term vibes from the company. I’ll probably kick myself a decade from now knowing the market isn’t an integrity contest though. 

Invest in Hydrogen and palladium


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Just now, Bostonseminole said:

I think phin is the one who watches too much news.. his view is distorted of what is really happening out there. he thinks that folks are still hiding out. Life has been back to normal for months. Market is strong out there, retailers can’t fill jobs fast enough etc etc. shit we can’t fill jobs fast enough at my company.


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I have been traveling non-stop since the pandemic started. I have probably logged more flight hours in the last 12 months than ever in my life. LOL

There are still large segments of the economy that are crippled. Large parts of the tourism industry are still in terrible shape as is the in-person entertainment industry. Ask anyone who runs a theater or sports venue how things are going. Ask any restaurant owner who can't open over 50% capacity or hire the overseas staff he needs to handle summer surges in business how it's going. Ask anyone in construction how it's going with huge increases in costs for basic materials. A drive through a beach town will reveal many restaurants and entertainment venues permanently closed. Ask any parents dealing with hybrid schooling how it's going.

I can see how a homebody who spends most Saturday nights watching Netflix and ordering DoorDash would think all is back to normal. Don't know if that is you, but it's possible.

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I seldom trust any icon of our celebrity fabrication driven culture. 

The real heroes are always drubbed up out of the silent sectors of sacrifice ... and the interviewee couldn’t care less whether they’ve caught a moment of charisma. They have work to do  

Betterment of humanity and the better part of valor have nothing to do with magazine covers and 60 Minute’s biopics.  

Having said that ... whether Elon is somehow masterfully conning the entire world or not remains to be “Socratically reviewed” ... but his company is physically placing humans in orbit ... etc He is in the least proven by air apparent to be a curator of talent and tech for those achievements   

 

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The "all is back to normal" crowd usually forgets the millions of invisible people who are the bottom of the ladder who are most affected by something like a closed movie theater or 50% capacity restriction at a restaurant. 

Cleaners

Caterers

Security

Suppliers

Subcontractors

Even pediatricians have had their hours cut. 

 

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I have been traveling non-stop since the pandemic started. I have probably logged more flight hours in the last 12 months than ever in my life. LOL
There are still large segments of the economy that are crippled. Large parts of the tourism industry are still in terrible shape as is the in-person entertainment industry. Ask anyone who runs a theater or sports venue how things are going. Ask any restaurant owner who can't open over 50% capacity or hire the overseas staff he needs to handle summer surges in business how it's going. Ask anyone in construction how it's going with huge increases in costs for basic materials. A drive through a beach town will reveal many restaurants and entertainment venues permanently closed. Ask any parents dealing with hybrid schooling how it's going.
I can see how a homebody who spends most Saturday nights watching Netflix and ordering DoorDash would think all is back to normal. Don't know if that is you, but it's possible.

Me and my wife enjoy our quiet Saturday nights watching TV, usually after spending all day outdoors. We usually do Grubhub instead.


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10 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

The "all is back to normal" crowd usually forgets the millions of invisible people who are the bottom of the ladder who are most affected by something like a closed movie theater or 50% capacity restriction at a restaurant. 

Cleaners

Caterers

Security

Suppliers

Subcontractors

Even pediatricians have had their hours cut. 

 

You mean the same people that skeeve you out at the bars in Berlin?

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11 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I seldom trust any icon of our celebrity fabrication driven culture. 

The real heroes are always drubbed up out of the silent sectors of sacrifice ... and the interviewee couldn’t care less whether they’ve caught a moment of charisma. They have work to do  

Betterment of humanity and the better part of valor have nothing to do with magazine covers and 60 Minute’s biopics.  

Having said that ... whether Elon is somehow masterfully conning the entire world or not remains to be “Socratically reviewed” ... but his company is physically placing humans in orbit ... etc He is in the least proven by air apparent to be a curator of talent and tech for those achievements   

 

Yeah, the hate on him seems mostly directed at his personality. I mean, the guy does literally have cars on the road and rockets flying people into space. He's doing real things. There are far worse charlatans out there who peddle nothing but vaporware.

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1 hour ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Pretty good In here tonite 

TSLA stock is an enigma to me 

I am certainly not a fan of autonomous driving , Maybe I’ll be proven wrong but the whole idea seems totally unnecessary, careless and a recipe for horrific accidents .

Honestly, I didn't get it until I rode in one. Seeing how well it drove itself made my brain explode. And the entertainment center in the middle is amazing. The acceleration? Disturbing. 

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27 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Yeah, the hate on him seems mostly directed at his personality. I mean, the guy does literally have cars on the road and rockets flying people into space. He's doing real things. There are far worse charlatans out there who peddle nothing but vaporware.

Example, Trevor Milton, former NKLA ceo

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58 minutes ago, Bostonseminole said:

I think phin is the one who watches too much news.. his view is distorted of what is really happening out there. he thinks that folks are still hiding out. Life has been back to normal for months. Market is strong out there, retailers can’t fill jobs fast enough etc etc. shit we can’t fill jobs fast enough at my company.


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America right now: we have a border emergency, no more illegals! 

Meanwhile, 7m jobs going unfilled in largely unskilled trades... That no American wants to work in. 

Doh. 

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1 hour ago, Bostonseminole said:


I heard Israel is doing well


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It's not a socialism problem. It's nationalized vaccine contracts combined with a government that's outsourced its manufacturing ability overseas years ago. The UK is doing fine with vaccines and they have socialized medicine. 

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Well AWT last year, Govt to announce no need for masks outside and outside recreation is fine. The theater of taking hoops off basketball courts and having cops at playgrounds is finally over. There was so much over reaching Govt for an indoor spread virus it is scary. Masks indoors in crowded spaces fine.  Hope a very expensive lesson was learned. We tried to tell um.
More cases and deaths were caused by closing outdoor recreation

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8 hours ago, PhineasC said:

I have been traveling non-stop since the pandemic started. I have probably logged more flight hours in the last 12 months than ever in my life. LOL

There are still large segments of the economy that are crippled. Large parts of the tourism industry are still in terrible shape as is the in-person entertainment industry. Ask anyone who runs a theater or sports venue how things are going. Ask any restaurant owner who can't open over 50% capacity or hire the overseas staff he needs to handle summer surges in business how it's going. Ask anyone in construction how it's going with huge increases in costs for basic materials. A drive through a beach town will reveal many restaurants and entertainment venues permanently closed. Ask any parents dealing with hybrid schooling how it's going.

I can see how a homebody who spends most Saturday nights watching Netflix and ordering DoorDash would think all is back to normal. Don't know if that is you, but it's possible.

I’m curious about a typically Saturday night in Randolph,NH.....

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