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4 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Because the biggest transition zone is in SNE, the wobbles are perceived to be much larger than they actually are....so it creates a lot of hand wringing over the model outputs.

And one that models cannot fully decipher will we are within the final stages prior to an event.

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8 minutes ago, DomNH said:

I wouldn't be shocked if the sleet line tickled MHT. We all have to accept it. 

I've been thinking Concord, but didn't dare say it last night. I 've been out on own with my thinking which for the record has been based solely on how this winter has unfolded (and admittedly near zero meteorological knowledge.)

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1 minute ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

And one that models cannot fully decipher will we are within the final stages prior to an event.

Yep, the models will not be perfect...I've been hedging just a bit on the colder side of guidance because of the synoptics...I'll find out soon enough if that was the correct thinking.

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3 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I'm was saying to @TauntonBlizzard2013 and @butterfish55 to shoot for 5-7", some sleet/ice/rain and then possibly some light snows on backside.

Hopefully the WAA thump comes in like a wall.  An hour or 2 in changeover makes a world of difference.

so basically, an 80s style SEMA winter event.   That's fine, we're due

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1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yep, the models will not be perfect...I've been hedging just a bit on the colder side of guidance because of the synoptics...I'll find out soon enough if that was the correct thinking.

I'd side with your logic.  There are a couple mitigating factors in my mind.  There is the background "winter" that we have been having in SNE that's been warmer then normal and we also don't have any snowpack to speak of in SNE which would have helped facilitate the SLP sliding along that denseer cold.

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5 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I'd side with your logic.  There are a couple mitigating factors in my mind.  There is the background "winter" that we have been having in SNE that's been warmer then normal and we also don't have any snowpack to speak of in SNE which would have helped facilitate the SLP sliding along that denseer cold.

You have a dense cold airmass. Even if we had snow, it won’t effect things. That high is good enough to squeeze shit south. 

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13 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

This snow map is the same one it's shown for like 4 days now.

Euro does love the mid-level fronto up this way though.

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I like the fact that the QPF/snow totals ...even where it's unperturbed by warm bullshit aloft ... is now half of what it was three days ago. 

That cutting back on QPF was mentioned by ... eh hm, some of us, as concomitant with open waves in a progressive/compressed medium.  

That said, perhaps obfuscated by the fact that this system could and probably will ... still be anomalously rich, regardless.   So a couple of things happening there... Yes correction; yes anomaly.

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16 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I'd side with your logic.  There are a couple mitigating factors in my mind.  There is the background "winter" that we have been having in SNE that's been warmer then normal and we also don't have any snowpack to speak of in SNE which would have helped facilitate the SLP sliding along that denseer cold.

First of all, it hasn't been that warm.

Secondly, the fact that we have had next to no snow, and nothing for over two months, is a nod in favor of more snow from here on out...all else being equal. Especially considering ENSO..

Finally, snowpack is nice, but a strong, ideally placed nascent +pp of arctic origin should also provide the requisite resistance to preclude inland tracks.

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