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Winter Med Range Discussion days 3-10 pbp II


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Folks, we need to remember that blocking(-NAO) is not required for us even in North and Central GA to get a good winter storm. There are plenty cases where we have had great storms without blocking. Also, how many times has major blocking led to suppression? Plenty. Lack of blocking means timing and trough axis are more critical. That is the case with most potential storms for us. Lots of things to be positive about for this next storm. The track is starting out further south. Air coming in will be even colder than the previous air mass. There is going to be lots of snow to our north to limit modification of cold air coming down. Also, some models are depicting high pressure to the north that would make it more difficult for this storm to turn very far north. It is not a slam dunk by any means, but to just assume it will turn north is very premature IMHO.

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From WPC for late this week...

IN GENERAL THE EVOLUTION OF UPR FLOW TOWARD A POSITIVELY TILTED
TROUGH ALOFT COMBINED WITH GREATER FLOW OF MSTR FROM THE GULF
SHOULD PRODUCE AN INCREASINGLY MESSY PCPN PATTERN CNTRL-ERN AREAS
WITH SNOW N/RAIN S AND A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT TRANSITION ZONE
BTWN THE TWO.  IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO DEVELOP CONFIDENCE IN
TIMING/COVERAGE OF SPECIFIC PCPN AREAS... THOUGH FOR AT LEAST A
COUPLE DAYS OR SO THE BEST POTENTIAL FOR HEAVIEST PCPN TOTALS FOR
THE OVERALL PERIOD HAS EXTENDED FROM THE SERN PLAINS INTO PARTS OF
THE SOUTHEAST/SRN HALF OF THE APLCHNS

Well that certainly sounds good. They seem pretty confident about this being at least something to watch. Why not???!! One more fail to go out with a bang??!!

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For the next week event, 12z GEFS tries to push the front further, 12z GGEM has a Winter storm of sorts, the 12z Euro & EPS all around SC and even the coast doesn't look bad on EPS.

 

Not going to really bite until it's still a potential come Monday.  Looking forward for the UKMET to get in range of the system and give it's thoughts.

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Folks, we need to remember that blocking(-NAO) is not required for us even in North and Central GA to get a good winter storm. There are plenty cases where we have had great storms without blocking. Also, how many times has major blocking led to suppression? Plenty. Lack of blocking means timing and trough axis are more critical. That is the case with most potential storms for us. Lots of things to be positive about for this next storm. The track is starting out further south. Air coming in will be even colder than the previous air mass. There is going to be lots of snow to our north to limit modification of cold air coming down. Also, some models are depicting high pressure to the north that would make it more difficult for this storm to turn very far north. It is not a slam dunk by any means, but to just assume it will turn north is very premature IMHO.

Great post BM!  Great pattern right now.  Could we be saying "remember February 2015" in the future?  What a turn around since a couple of weeks ago and CPC shows no sign of negative NAO.  Goes to show how more than one factor influences winter in North America

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Lol!

Let's see what it does once it realizes there is much less snow on the ground than it thinks.

Here's a simple question in regards to the "cooling effect" of snowcover.  Does it matter whether there is 2" vs. 2 feet?  I'd say no, but would like to hear other thoughts.  One thing for sure regarding this weekend, this storm has filled in the holes just to our north.  When this next storm arrives, believe it or not, there will be much greater snow cover to our north.  Maybe this means or will result in a further south track.

TW

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Here's a simple question in regards to the "cooling effect" of snowcover. Does it matter whether there is 2" vs. 2 feet? I'd say no, but would like to hear other thoughts. One thing for sure regarding this weekend, this storm has filled in the holes just to our north. When this next storm arrives, believe it or not, there will be much greater snow cover to our north. Maybe this means or will result in a further south track.

TW

I've always wondered that too man. I think as long as it can effectively cover the ground (which I'd put somewhere in the 4" range), I'd think that would do it.

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can you expand on what he said big frosty.

It's only just begun, pretty much Cold right through March the Euro Ens. snow max next 15 days was just north of NC but all NC gets a bunch and SC and Ga. also.... IF the ensembles are even close on winter precip next 15 or so days it's going to be a fun ride.... He also showing CFSv2  how it's gone cold for March and lots of precip in the SE. His last words was, LOOKS LIKE FUN!!! lol

 

Courtesy of weatherbell...

 

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It's only just begun, pretty much Cold right through March the Euro Ens. snow max next 15 days was just north of NC but all NC gets a bunch and SC and Ga. also.... IF the ensembles are even close on winter precip next 15 or so days it's going to be a fun ride.... He also showing CFSv2 how it's gone cold for March and lots of precip in the SE. His last words was, LOOKS LIKE FUN!!! lol

Courtesy of weatherbell...

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thank you frosty.
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