SnowGoose69

This has to be the worst NYC disparity I ever saw...you'd think alone the SW flow would just advect enough for them to go to 92 or so

May get another 90 at NYC today, at least officially

It'll probably basically fall off to nothing though by January which will make the winter forecast virtually impossible this year.

Seems most models now agreeing enough morning junk around that we may not see much later on...if we do could be 00-02z or so..the idea of a squall line 21-23z or so is losing ground on most guidance

Yeah there was basically sleet/freezing rain from late evening on the 8th into very early AM on the 9th then it was sunny that day and the 10th. I believe EWR never flipped to sleet on the 11th while most of the south shore of Queens/Bklyn/LI did by 12-1pm that day...even so LGA and NYC I think only recorded like 10-12 inches and there was no notable banding with that storm so EWR seeing that much more is certainly a mistake of some kind

Yeah that total always baffled me. I have no idea how they managed to come up with that one

Yeah I forget when they moved it. My guess is probably 1996. I was also told once snow measurements prior to the 93-94 winter are questionable (yeah we know they are questionable after too lol) but the reason told to me was they used to measure somewhere downstairs from the NWS office up til 92-93 and the measurements were likely too low most times

Its probably safe to assume the Saturday FROPA will be later than currently shown...most models consensus is near 21-02Z but in summer its rare models at this range are not about 12-18 hours too fast. If true it probably will lower potential of severe if its Sun AM vs Sat eve

They cut away a ton of the junk around it too so I have wondered if maybe more its a sensor issue now

89 now at NYC. Would think a good chance 90 happens

If the extended HRRR is right Wed could be mainly dry and it pushes fairly far east. The RGEM/Euro are furthest west overall.

88 now but still not accurate

Given it is likely to be a similar La Nina to last winter that is unlikely

Will be pretty funny to see LGA go to like 85 when winds shift SW ahead of the front

As I said yesterday this bore some resemblance to 12-11-93...difference is no negative tilt this time so the snow band is going to rotate through quickly. Interesting how in both cases almost 30 years apart the models did not see the snow correctly associated with the vort/trof and incorrectly placed too much precip earlier.

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A retired met always used to tell me that rain to snow events here where you see significant sleet or snow mixing in when you’re still 38-39-40 often turn out to be much worse than expected. We’ll see if he’s right. I still don’t expect more than 2 near the city

Models do not diverge til 14Z or later so really won't be able to get a sense where this is going til then. The RGEM may be a nose too slow at 04z over PA progressing the cold air E but its not a huge amount. I still think the faster progression of colder air will verify...there could be a period of PLSN or RAPL perhaps near the city and the HRRR does show that

It was a very east based -NAO if I remember right, the block was by Iceland

That was a coastal low with a closed low at 500...that is the only way you can ever see backend snows here with a coastal low, otherwise the system exits too fast and or the cold air does not come in fast enough

This event is somewhat similar to 12-11-93 but the main difference which will prevent the bigger snows from being near the coast is that you had a more notable neutral to negative tilt to that system. As a result you had a good 6-9 hour period of snows and your flow both at the surface and aloft was more NNE vs NW so there was no notable downslope impact.

The RGEM often times in scenarios where your CAA is coming on a NNW-N trajectory is way too slow bringing in the colder air...this event is atypical to many of the anafrontal snows we have seen in recent years where we got our cold air on a NW push...those always take forever and often models are too fast bringing them in. The difference in a 320 push vs 350 is night and day. The issue I still see though is 20-23Z I do not buy any meaningful snow in areas where downslope is a factor so basically most of the area except the NW...you'll see 17-19Z as the window for snow near the city and that is probably all with just flurries after...the 3km NAM idea post 19z I think due to the NW component is overdone

If temps are marginal it will be too high usually...it showed 2-3 mean across whole area last event which was obviously too much...it has 1-2 from NYC to the Suffolk border and 2-4 NYC west with some 4-5 inch areas Orange County and NW NJ

The RGEM really sucks in anafrontal type scenarios or where you have incoming cold air...it usually is way too slow bleeding it in...the changeover will probably be closer to what the NAM or HRRR shows but I still do not expect much snow near the metro once you have the gradient flow through 700 being most NW...the HRRR shows snow 20-23Z in NYC but reality is that would be flurries...the period from 17-19z when you're more NNE or N is when you'd see your snow. Any sort of NW flow in a rain-snow scenario here never pans out...you need to be N-NE

The RGEM/NAM are probably too far west if you ask me but I still do not like the setup anyway near the coast with the 3k nam or Euro setup