2026-2027 Super El Nino

[bluewave]

16 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

I don't think so, we are still "evening out" a 27-year period of more than 50% La Nina's (RONI). And the subsurface in the west is not as cold as 1997 was at this time. You seem to think we are overdue for a Strong La Nina but I think +ENSO is the tendency going forward as it's more about the cumulative, so if a Moderate Nina is the average follow up of a Super Nino, I think it will only be a Weak Nina. We'll see. 

Yeah, the La Ninas have been getting weaker following super El Niños since the early 1970s.

This past La Niña was the weakest on record following the 2023-2024 super El Niño. Also the first time that Nino 1+2 didn’t fully cool off between super El Niño events.

This lead to the more Nino-like December 2024 with the record +PNA. While the STJ and Nino 1+2 warming were relatively weak vs the Northern Stream, the Gulf Coast got an historic snowstorm in January 2025. 

Super El Niño ONI and the lowest ONI in the years following 

NDJ 72…..+2.1

NDJ 73……-2.0

NDJ 82…….+2.2

NDJ 84…….-1.1

NDJ 97…..+2.4

NDJ 99…..-1.7

NDJ 15……+2.8

NDJ 17…..-0.9

NDJ 23…..+2.1

NDJ 25…..-0.5

[snowman19]

Yeah, the La Ninas have been getting weaker following super El Niños since the early 1970s.
This past La Niña was the weakest on record following the 2023-2024 super El Niño. Also the first time that Nino 1+2 didn’t fully cool off between super El Niño events.
This lead to the more Nino-like December 2024 with the record +PNA. While the STJ and Nino 1+2 warming were relatively weak vs the Northern Stream, the Gulf Coast got an historic snowstorm in January 2025. 
Super El Niño ONI and the lowest ONI in the years following 
NDJ 72…..+2.1
NDJ 73……-2.0
NDJ 82…….+2.2
NDJ 84…….-1.1
NDJ 97…..+2.4
NDJ 99…..-1.7
NDJ 15……+2.8
NDJ 17…..-0.9
NDJ 23…..+2.1
NDJ 25…..-0.5

[snowman19]

[GaWx]

The latest CFSv2 release has actually cooled ~0.15 to 0.20 vs that from the start of June for the periods starting with JJA:

June 1st release: relative peak ~+3.0 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.25 DJF

Today’s release: relative peak ~+2.8 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.1 DJF

[mitchnick]

3 minutes ago, GaWx said:

The latest CFSv2 release has actually cooled ~0.15 to 0.20 vs that from the start of June for the periods starting with JJA:

June 1st release: peak ~+3.0 (OND)

Today’s release: peak ~+2.8 (OND)

From someone who has, for better or worse, followed the Cfs2 forecast follies over the years, the  bias corrected SSTA plumes have almost always been more accurate, whether warmer or cooler. Fwiw

[snowman19]

1 hour ago, GaWx said:

The latest CFSv2 release has actually cooled ~0.15 to 0.20 vs that from the start of June for the periods starting with JJA:
June 1st release: relative peak ~+3.0 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.25 DJF


Today’s release: relative peak ~+2.8 (OND) and rapid cooling to ~+2.1 DJF

@forkyfork I wonder what the models will show once this current WWB and the new DWKW that has formed does their “dirty work”? There is some major strengthening and warming about to come

And once the +IOD gets going, it’s going to constructively interfere with the El Nino/Bjerknes feedback

 

 

 

 

[FPizz]

4 hours ago, snowman19 said:

 

If you read the comments from the original poster of the video, there are pics from the 1950s of boats catching them in the same region.  So it has happened before and reading other comments it doesn't seem like this is a very rare thing, but doesn't happen yearly.

[snowman19]

[GaWx]

1 hour ago, snowman19 said:

 

 Just to clarify to insure appropriate context:

-There’s no doubt that currently Nino 3.4 is very warm for so early in the year. But keep in mind that Eliot’s chart showing the current warmth is from a combination of GW and El Nino. On that basis, it’s clear that Nino 3.4 is by a good margin the warmest on record.

-But the best way to compare to past years as far as just El Niño component, itself, is to look at the relative anomalies for the same point in the year. Currently, relative 3.4 is ~+1.0. I’ll now compare to other weeklies, which go back to 1982:

09JUN1982      1.0

11JUN1997        0.8

10JUN2015        0.6

14JUN2023       0.4

 So, going back to 1982, 2026 is currently near the warmest on record about tied with 1982, which is itself obviously quite notable.

 To go back further, I need to look at relative monthlies. So, these won’t give as precise a comparison, but they’re still worth mentioning. Currently, the CFS is projecting June of 2026 to be ~+0.95. I’ll now compare to some past June relatives:

1957   6   1.13

1965   6   1.09 

1972   6   0.98

 So, 2026 is projected for June, alone, to be slightly cooler than 1957/1965 and ~same as 1972.

 So, folks need to be careful to not let others deceive you. The current El Niño strength is by no means out on its own and is instead in the general vicinity of 1982, 1972, 1965, and 1957 for the warmest since 1950.

 Going back further is less reliable for comparison purposes. But per Eric Webb’s MJJ 3.4 anomalies, one could argue that 1877, 1902, 1905, and 1941 could have easily been similar, if not warmer than 2026 in mid June. There’s a good chance that 1877 was a bit warmer and some chance that 1905 was slightly warmer in mid June.