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December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread


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6 minutes ago, bristolri_wx said:

2015-2016 is not a winter anyone wants to show up on comparisons/analogs.  Blech!

Thankfully basically zero similarities between those two years at the moment. We’ve had a different Pacific regime compared to recent years so far…that very strong WPO block is not something that’s been there. In recent years, we’ve seen a generally strong positive WPO which will tend to mute the cold…the negative phase has the opposite effect which is probably why our cold has been overperforming in the medium range. 

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19 minutes ago, Sey-Mour Snow said:

As we’ve said before, cutters and torches are easier to verify as there is plenty of  room for model error which still delivers the same undesirable result for us. 

and that's the pissah. Sn storms are like threading a needle requiring near perfect alignment and coordination of precip and cold

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9 minutes ago, bristolri_wx said:

GFS ensembles also don't support what the op is selling in the long range.  There is consensus across the board of some relaxing of this colder pattern for at least a few days coming up.  How much TBD...

People need to calm down. We’re all having fun and joking about the ridging shown on Christmas. No one is calling for it…yet.

With that said, I disagree to some extent. The 12z gefs gained a handful of members with strong SE ridges. Obviously you can’t expect 591dm to verify or be matched on a d16 ens lol.

12z eps is pretty warm looking for the holiday too. Hopefully it pans out cooler. I’d like to have pack for the holiday.

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30 minutes ago, Sey-Mour Snow said:

As we’ve said before, cutters and torches are easier to verify as there is plenty of  room for model error which still delivers the same undesirable result for us. 

Cutters literally have a 1000 miles of territory to work with to produce the same result. Big coastal storms not so much.

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4 minutes ago, dendrite said:

People need to calm down. We’re all having fun and joking about the ridging shown on Christmas. No one is calling for it…yet.

With that said, I disagree to some extent. The 12z gefs gained a handful of members with strong SE ridges. Obviously you can’t expect 591dm to verify or be matched on a d16 ens lol.

12z eps is pretty warm looking for the holiday too. Hopefully it pans out cooler. I’d like to have pack for the holiday.

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I’m still skeptical that the ensembles have it right with regard to timing and amplitude. It’d be hard to put up a -10 month so a relaxation from what we’ve seen so far would not be surprising. The real question is if that precludes snow chances and pack retention for Christmas. Nobody cares if it’s 50 on Boxing Day if the day before was 30 with snow on the ground.

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3 minutes ago, 8611Blizz said:

I have this picture in my head of scooter and scooter Jr. Sitting at the dinner table checking 18z euro runs ignoring the rest of the family.. :weenie:

Father and son discussing weenies while mom tries to not choke on her American chop suey.

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