July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability

[FPizz]

3 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I think you'll find Central Park deviates more from the mean compared to Newark. 

Yesterday I was 98 degrees and I am all single family homes with trees and grass. 

LGA was also 98. Newark was 100. 

Central Park though was only 93! Come on bro 

I'm talking about real stations, not personal ones.  But, you even just pointed out, Newark at 100 was still the hottest.  When a station is the hottest nearly 100% of the time and to pretend there isn't an issue is just plain silly.  Many times this is how Sacrus' 90 degree days look.  Every time EWR is at the top.  Sometimes NYC is at the bottom, but more often than not it is in the mix with other stations. I can give 2 craps about NYC though since they don't care and same with Newark.  The only people that care are the handful of posters here and elsewhere.  If people have been pointing out issues for what 20 years now and they don't do anything, you just have to accept it and move on.

EWR: 95
TEB: 91 
LGA: 90
New Brnswck: 90
PHL: 90
TTN: 88
NYC: 87
JFK: 86
BLM: 86
ACY: 86
ISP: 85

[winterwx21]

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

Tomorrow looks like a decent chance of some more widespread showers/storms-today looks dry

For south of the city it looks pretty active for tonight. We have a flash flood watch in effect here. I was just looking at the latest models, and they're actually not showing a lot of activity for tomorrow now. This evening might end up being more active than tomorrow. 

[Brian5671]

Just now, winterwx21 said:

For south of the city it looks pretty active for tonight. We have a flash flood watch in effect here. I was just looking at the latest models, and they're actually not showing a lot of activity for tomorrow night. This evening might end up being more active than tomorrow. 

Yeah I see that now.   Us northern folks may end up with close to nothing either day if the RGEM is correct.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

6 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I'm talking about real stations, not personal ones.  But, you even just pointed out, Newark at 100 was still the hottest.  When a station is the hottest nearly 100% of the time and to pretend there isn't an issue is just plain silly.  Many times this is how Sacrus' 90 degree days look.  Every time EWR is at the top.  Sometimes NYC is at the bottom, but more often than not it is in the mix with other stations. I can give 2 craps about NYC though since they don't care and same with Newark.  The only people that care are the handful of posters here and elsewhere.  If people have been pointing out issues for what 20 years now and they don't do anything, you just have to accept it and move on.

EWR: 95
TEB: 91 
LGA: 90
New Brnswck: 90
PHL: 90
TTN: 88
NYC: 87
JFK: 86
BLM: 86
ACY: 86
ISP: 85

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

[Brian5671]

4 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

We get the same thing here-they say oh it was 58 at BDR (which sits at a penisula out into the sound) meanwhile everyone else was 72...lol.   TV weathercasts are quickly becoming obsolete though-no one under age 40 watches TV news anymore....so many other options to get news/weather in this digital age.

[Sundog]

6 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

End of June heatwave wasn't so bad, we didn't even hit 100 once!

Lol

[Dark Star]

40 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I'm talking about real stations, not personal ones.  But, you even just pointed out, Newark at 100 was still the hottest.  When a station is the hottest nearly 100% of the time and to pretend there isn't an issue is just plain silly.  Many times this is how Sacrus' 90 degree days look.  Every time EWR is at the top.  Sometimes NYC is at the bottom, but more often than not it is in the mix with other stations. I can give 2 craps about NYC though since they don't care and same with Newark.  The only people that care are the handful of posters here and elsewhere.  If people have been pointing out issues for what 20 years now and they don't do anything, you just have to accept it and move on.

EWR: 95
TEB: 91 
LGA: 90
New Brnswck: 90
PHL: 90
TTN: 88
NYC: 87
JFK: 86
BLM: 86
ACY: 86
ISP: 85

I'm in Garwood NJ (central Union County), and usually within 1 or 2 degrees of Newark Airport temperatures.  I believe Forky says it is just as hot (or hotter?) several miles to the west of Newark Airport?

[forkyfork]

58 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

I'm in Garwood NJ (central Union County), and usually within 1 or 2 degrees of Newark Airport temperatures.  I believe Forky says it is just as hot (or hotter?) several miles to the west of Newark Airport?

ewr can get sea breezes downtown newark doesn't

[Brian5671]

85 partly sunny here

[SACRUS]

 

88/ 70

[SACRUS]

 

[winterwarlock]

88 with heat index of 97

[donsutherland1]

With respect to summer highs (lowest at Central Park vs. JFK, LaGuardia, and Newark) and Newark (highest at Newark vs. Central Park, JFK, and LaGuardia), there has been a massive change at Central Park and a remarkably stable relationship at Newark. The dramatic change in relationship relative to the surrounding area suggests that Central Park has the much larger issue than Newark. This does not mean that Newark doesn't run slightly hot, but changes there have not altered its relationship to the overall region. 

Central Park:

Newark:

Temperature averages are adjusted through various quality control mechanisms, so the long-term climate record filters out such problems. The problems exist only when it comes to daily temperatures or extreme temperatures, which are taken from raw unadjusted values. Based on the pre-2000 regression equation, the most recent heatwave would have had a peak temperature of 102° at Central Park setting a new June mark. The actual figure of 99° will wind up being the month's extreme temperature in the climate record. The June monthly mean temperature will be subject to modest adjustment at some point for the long-term climate record.

My guess is that there is a conscious choice to maintain things as they are, even as the raw numbers (particularly during full foliage season) have noted issues. Maintaining a long climate record is worth the trade-off among the key stakeholders, especially as the long-term numbers can be fixed to account for biases, etc.

[Snowlover11]

87F feeling like 89.

[Stormlover74]

Just another 95 degree day at ewr

[SACRUS]

 

90 / 68 here

[SACRUS]

EWR at 95

[Intensewind002]

84/76 yet another day with dewpoints in the 75-80 degree range 

[bluewave]

3 hours ago, FPizz said:

'm talking about real stations, not personal ones.  But, you even just pointed out, Newark at 100 was still the hottest. 

Newark was tied with Corona for the highest temperature yesterday at 100°. Back on 6-24 Newark was only 3rd warmest. But now that NY State and Con Edison installed the Micronet, we can get an accurate assessment of what kind of heat the urban dwellers have to deal with. Since our airports are all right on the water and get cooling sea breezes. People living in these interior urban centers away from the water experience higher temperatures. 

7-8-25 highest temperatures across the region 

Corona, Queens…..100°

Newark, NJ…………100°

6-24-25 highest temperatures across the region

Ozone Park South, Queens….105°

Corona, Queens ………………..104°

Harrison, NJ………………………103°

Newark, NJ……………………….103°

JFK…………………………………..102°

LGA………………………………….101°

ISP…………………………….……..101°

 

 

 

 

[Dark Star]

1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

With respect to summer highs (lowest at Central Park vs. JFK, LaGuardia, and Newark) and Newark (highest at Newark vs. Central Park, JFK, and LaGuardia), there has been a massive change at Central Park and a remarkably stable relationship at Newark. The dramatic change in relationship relative to the surrounding area suggests that Central Park has the much larger issue than Newark. This does not mean that Newark doesn't run slightly hot, but changes there have not altered its relationship to the overall region. 

Central Park:

Newark:

Temperature averages are adjusted through various quality control mechanisms, so the long-term climate record filters out such problems. The problems exist only when it comes to daily temperatures or extreme temperatures, which are taken from raw unadjusted values. Based on the pre-2000 regression equation, the most recent heatwave would have had a peak temperature of 102° at Central Park setting a new June mark. The actual figure of 99° will wind up being the month's extreme temperature in the climate record. The June monthly mean temperature will be subject to modest adjustment at some point for the long-term climate record.

My guess is that there is a conscious choice to maintain things as they are, even as the raw numbers (particularly during full foliage season) have noted issues. Maintaining a long climate record is worth the trade-off among the key stakeholders, especially as the long-term numbers can be fixed to account for biases, etc.

My assumption is that Newark, the city, is just far enough inland not usually affected by cooling from the nearby Atlantic Ocean/bays/rivers.  As Forky pointed out, Newark, the city, can be hotter than the airport (EWR the official monitoring station).  Even so, EWR seldom is seen to receive a cooling effect.  JFK and LGA are right on the water.  So, to the best of my knowledge, EWR temperatures are representative of that area.  While the monitoring station is above a "grassy" area, we know Newark Airport to be one big paved over parking lot.  The nearby Jersey suburbs are normally close to the airports temperatures, but maybe a degree or two cooler.  Teterboro airport  a few miles to the north, is normally a degree or two cooler than EWR, but Linden Airport is normally within 1 degree of EWR.  So, it doesn't surprise me that Newark Airport is the hotspot of the 20 mile radius (or so) around NYC.  I believe there are some areas of southern Jersey, Toms River, Berkeley Township and parts of the Jersey Pine Barrens, that can be even hotter, but they are not part of this region's discussion.

[MorristownWx]

3 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

I feel like you should maybe worry about bigger things lol..

[jm1220]

Another swampy afternoon. 89/74

[Dan76]

Plenty of fires in Canada   https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=regional-ca_reg_cen-02-24-1-100-1&checked=map&colorbar=undefined

[LoboLeader1]

90 here.

[LibertyBell]

8 hours ago, bluewave said:

Most of the models had mid to upper 90s. Plus you can’t use convective outlooks as an IMBY forecast. It’s a general forecast for the outlook region. Some areas got very little rain and others had flooding. 

a better forecast would have been mostly sunny with a chance of late afternoon showers and tstorms. All our locals had a high near 90 which was exceeded by 5+ degrees (it was 95 here.) This is a very typical summer pattern for us and happens almost every summer.

I don't even like the word *washout* we don't have washouts here in the summer unless a tropical system is coming up the coast.  The FCC needs to ban that term and no weather forecaster should be allowed to use it. For me, if a day is cloudy it's already ruined, so we should judge whether a day is good or bad with a skycover forecast and both Monday and Tuesday were mostly sunny until late in the day.

 

[LibertyBell]

15 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

About the same here. Didn’t even make it through the trees. Grass is browning. The south shore summer flash drought is a real thing. People who do not live here just do not get it. It’s a micro climate seasonal desert. 

It's better not to have a lawn.

I live on the south shore specifically to have a dry and hot summer, so this is perfect for me.  There are multiple benefits to not getting rain in the summer.

Far fewer mosquitoes

Far fewer weeds

Far fewer destructive thunderstorms and flash flooding

I dont want to live in a tropical rain forest and don't want more than one - two inches of rain per month from June through August.

 

[LibertyBell]

21 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Exactly. Writing was on the wall. Other then the areas north of the sea breeze front that saw some heavier rain this is going to be a pretty big fail for the rest of us. May even go completely dry in spots. 

It was enough rain, don't want the weeds to overgrow or the bugs to overpopulate

 

[LibertyBell]

20 hours ago, Dark Star said:

PSEG raised the rates about 30%, but they made a deal with the state to "even out" the cost so there are no obvious peaks, hoping people don't notice as much.  What I don't understand is that PSEG doesn't even generate the electricity anymore, they are just in charge of transmission.  They sold the generation off to Parkway Generation about 2 years ago.  

Heard more about the Con Ed situation, they are going to raise both gas and electric prices 15% and not only that, they are also going to increase transmission costs so even if you use less power you will still pay more.  And it's not an insignificant amount, WABC7 said it could amount to a 200 dollar higher bill PER MONTH.

 

[bluewave]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

a better forecast would have been mostly sunny with a chance of late afternoon showers and tstorms. All our locals had a high near 90 which was exceeded by 5+ degrees (it was 95 here.) This is a very typical summer pattern for us and happens almost every summer.

I don't even like the word *washout* we don't have washouts here in the summer unless a tropical system is coming up the coast.  The FCC needs to ban that term and no weather forecaster should be allowed to use it. For me, if a day is cloudy it's already ruined, so we should judge whether a day is good or bad with a skycover forecast and both Monday and Tuesday were mostly sunny until late in the day.

 

It’s sounds like you would really enjoy living is a desert environment. If you can deal with the heat, it’s actually a very beautiful ecosystem. I tend to enjoy cooler climates and was fine with all the cooler summers that I used to get growing up back in Long Beach. 
 

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, Sundog said:

I think you'll find Central Park deviates more from the mean compared to Newark. 

Yesterday I was 98 degrees and I am all single family homes with trees and grass. 

LGA was also 98. Newark was 100. 

Central Park though was only 93! Come on bro 

JFK was too cool too, it was 95 here.  But that might be a function of their sensor being located right on the Bay lol.