July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability

[Maureen]

25 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Looks like good chances of rain today and tomorrow

Ugh. Guess it’s good for the mushroom bog I’ve apparently started here, Carteret Caps. 
 

 

[gravitylover]

33 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

Thankfully the Rockaways to Long Beach did get maybe a half inch from the storms that grazed the barrier islands, but seen it happen many times. Can be boring as hell for months behind the seabreeze in the marine layer. 

I think that growing up in Oceanside the immediate south shore summer dryness badly skewed my perception of summer weather in the northeast. My memories are of pleasant, mostly sunny days where you just went and did stuff outside all the time. My time was almost entirely spent south of Merrick Rd and mostly more than a mile S of that and daily watering was definitely a thing, you could easily tell who didn't (like me ) 

9 minutes ago, Maureen said:

Ugh. Guess it’s good for the mushroom bog I’ve apparently started here, Carteret Caps. 
 

 

Ha! My garden is having a pretty good mushroom year too. It's a sign of healthy soil so I'm good with it. Thankfully our dog isn't a "taster" and pretty much stays away from them and the slime molds.

[Brian5671]

32 minutes ago, Maureen said:

Ugh. Guess it’s good for the mushroom bog I’ve apparently started here, Carteret Caps. 
 

 

meanwhile we've missed most of it here-brown grass and wilting plants....

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

59 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

Thankfully the Rockaways to Long Beach did get maybe a half inch from the storms that grazed the barrier islands, but seen it happen many times. Can be boring as hell for months behind the seabreeze in the marine layer. 

Yeah I was in the screw zone in between heavier rains north and south. 
I’ll elaborate as to why I care so much. It’s more then just about my vegetable garden. I’m am a land scape designer and the majority of my work is on the south shore. I did several large installations this spring. One was the entire front of the house I rent in. My landlord hasn’t completed hooking up the irrigation system and promised to hand water if it got dry. While he has watered occasionally the garden looks like shit. Hydrangeas are burned. It would be a simple fix if culturally we accepted native plant gardens. As they are adapted to big swings in precip. But when people want that “wow factor” I have no choice but to use temperamental plants. 

[bluewave]

It’s impressive how competitive Eastern Long Island has been on 90° days so far.

 

New York 90° Day Data for January 1, 2025 through July 9, 2025
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	12
New York-LGA Area	ThreadEx	12
BAITING HOLLOW	COOP	10
POUGHKEEPSIE/HUDSON VALLEY REGIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	10
Poughkeepsie Area	ThreadEx	10
PORT JERVIS	COOP	9
JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	9
New York-Kennedy Airport Area	ThreadEx	9
SARA NEW YORK	RAWS	9
ST. JAMES	COOP	9
DANSVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT	WBAN	8
SARATOGA SPRINGS 4 SW	COOP	8
VICTOR 2NW	COOP	8
LANSING MANOR	COOP	8
WEBSTER 2 NE	COOP	8
STONYKILL NEW YORK	RAWS	8
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP	WBAN	7
DANSVILLE	COOP	7
SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT	WBAN	7
Islip Area	ThreadEx	7
GANG MILLS NEW YORK	RAWS	7
SHERBURNE NEW YORK	RAWS	7

 

New Jersey 90° Day Data for January 1, 2025 through July 9, 2025
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	17
Newark Area	ThreadEx	17
OCEAN COUNTY AIRPORT	WBAN	16
TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	15
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP	WBAN	15
TETERBORO AIRPORT	COOP	14
HARRISON	COOP	14
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP	WBAN	13
Atlantic City Area	ThreadEx	13

 

 

[SACRUS]

 

83 / 73

[SACRUS]

42 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s impressive how competitive Eastern Long Island has been on 90° days so far.

 

New York 90° Day Data for January 1, 2025 through July 9, 2025
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	12
New York-LGA Area	ThreadEx	12
BAITING HOLLOW	COOP	10
POUGHKEEPSIE/HUDSON VALLEY REGIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	10
Poughkeepsie Area	ThreadEx	10
PORT JERVIS	COOP	9
JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	9
New York-Kennedy Airport Area	ThreadEx	9
SARA NEW YORK	RAWS	9
ST. JAMES	COOP	9
DANSVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT	WBAN	8
SARATOGA SPRINGS 4 SW	COOP	8
VICTOR 2NW	COOP	8
LANSING MANOR	COOP	8
WEBSTER 2 NE	COOP	8
STONYKILL NEW YORK	RAWS	8
ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP	WBAN	7
DANSVILLE	COOP	7
SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT	WBAN	7
Islip Area	ThreadEx	7
GANG MILLS NEW YORK	RAWS	7
SHERBURNE NEW YORK	RAWS	7

 

New Jersey 90° Day Data for January 1, 2025 through July 9, 2025
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	17
Newark Area	ThreadEx	17
OCEAN COUNTY AIRPORT	WBAN	16
TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	15
CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP	WBAN	15
TETERBORO AIRPORT	COOP	14
HARRISON	COOP	14
ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP	WBAN	13
Atlantic City Area	ThreadEx	13

 

 

 

5 in Central park - distorting perception for NYC heat when used as the center point for all NYC  in general.

[lee59]

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

meanwhile we've missed most of it here-brown grass and wilting plants....

Same here. The last 2 days only .05 of an inch

[jm1220]

1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yeah I was in the screw zone in between heavier rains north and south. 
I’ll elaborate as to why I care so much. It’s more then just about my vegetable garden. I’m am a land scape designer and the majority of my work is on the south shore. I did several large installations this spring. One was the entire front of the house I rent in. My landlord hasn’t completed hooking up the irrigation system and promised to hand water if it got dry. While he has watered occasionally the garden looks like shit. Hydrangeas are burned. It would be a simple fix if culturally we accepted native plant gardens. As they are adapted to big swings in precip. But when people want that “wow factor” I have no choice but to use temperamental plants. 

I think it was 2 summers ago where it was just comical the difference between my neighborhood in Huntington Station and Long Beach when I visited. Long Beach looked completely parched and in the midst of extreme drought but once north of the Southern State it became lush with greenery everywhere. LI's microclimates are always fascinating.

[FPizz]

9 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

5 in Central park - distorting perception for NYC heat when used as the center point for all NYC  in general.

5 and 17 for Newark are both garbage.  The average of them gets you to where the vast majority of the area are in. 

[Brian5671]

10 minutes ago, lee59 said:

Same here. The last 2 days only .05 of an inch

Tomorrow looks like a decent chance of some more widespread showers/storms-today looks dry

[lee59]

10 days here with 90 plus. A lot for this early in the summer.

[Sundog]

7 minutes ago, FPizz said:

5 and 17 for Newark are both garbage.  The average of them gets you to where the vast majority of the area are in. 

Newark is suburbia and then rural to its west and southwest though. When the winds are westerly or southwesterly during heatwaves, they are blowing over a lot of greenery and open space. 

The Central Park station is in a mini jungle, improperly sited compared to all the other official stations surrounded by concrete. 

So the conditions between these two stations are actually the opposite.

East Jersey naturally is the hottest area, probably due to some downsloping. Other personal stations in that area even in suburbia get basically as hot as Newark does, you can see them on the Ambient Weather website. 

 

 

[lee59]

6 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Newark is suburbia and then rural to its west and southwest though. When the winds are westerly or southwesterly during heatwaves, they are blowing over a lot of greenery and open space. 

The Central Park station is in a mini jungle, improperly sited compared to all the other official stations surrounded by concrete. 

So the conditions between these two stations are actually the opposite.

East Jersey naturally is the hottest area, probably due to some downsloping. Other personal stations in that area even in suburbia get basically as hot as Newark does, you can see them on the Ambient Weather website. 

 

 

I would call the Newark area as urban with suburbia to the near west and rural to the far west.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

21 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

I think it was 2 summers ago where it was just comical the difference between my neighborhood in Huntington Station and Long Beach when I visited. Long Beach looked completely parched and in the midst of extreme drought but once north of the Southern State it became lush with greenery everywhere. LI's microclimates are always fascinating.

Absolutely. Growing up in south wantagh it was always “it never rains in the summer”. So it’s certainly not a new phenomenon. If you look at the prominent historical tree species you can see the micro climate. The south shore had plains and pitch pine and oak forest. While the north shore had a fully developed climax deciduous forest. Some of that is soil related but precip patterns also played a role. Water temps have skyrocketed to the mid 70s and that’s when the island as a whole tends to score its biggest precip events. Maybe tomorrow produces. 

[SACRUS]

22 minutes ago, FPizz said:

5 and 17 for Newark are both garbage.  The average of them gets you to where the vast majority of the area are in. 

Depends on the area - EWR far better for urban/ city residents.  New Brunswick a good baseline for those in suburbia (NJ).  The reasl issue is that the media/others use NYC (central park) as the reference that skews perception.  Mostly an issue for weather and historical enthusiasts. I dont think either is a sensor or calibration issue and both reflect their environment fine.

[SACRUS]

85 / 72 running about 5 degrees slower than yesterday.

[Sundog]

7 minutes ago, lee59 said:

I would call the Newark area as urban with suburbia to the near west and rural to the far west.

The station is at the airport though, not in the city of Newark. The city itself is north of the airport, which is not where the wind blows from during heatwaves to begin with.

Directly west of the airport, it's all single family homes with grass and trees. I would have posted a screenshot but this stupid forum caps images at 12 kilobytes like it's 1995. 

Meanwhile the Central Park station is inside the most urban environment in the entire country. 

 

[forkyfork]

put a station here and it would be warmer than ewr

[Sundog]

My issue with Central Park is the same as Sacrus's, people reference it as the station of record. If it was Islip being stupid I wouldn't care nearly as much. 

[FPizz]

36 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Newark is suburbia and then rural to its west and southwest though. When the winds are westerly or southwesterly during heatwaves, they are blowing over a lot of greenery and open space. 

The Central Park station is in a mini jungle, improperly sited compared to all the other official stations surrounded by concrete. 

So the conditions between these two stations are actually the opposite.

East Jersey naturally is the hottest area, probably due to some downsloping. Other personal stations in that area even in suburbia get basically as hot as Newark does, you can see them on the Ambient Weather website. 

 

 

To me taking the average of both stations is probably the best option.  One gets a slight bump down, the other a slight bump up.  Newark though is nearly always the hottest whereas NYC a lot of times, even though overgrown, still finishes temp wise in the middle.  

 

9 minutes ago, Sundog said:

My issue with Central Park is the same as Sacrus's, people reference it as the station of record. If it was Islip being stupid I wouldn't care nearly as much. 

Funny thing is people as you said use it, but like no one on the forum lives there.  They really should use other stations.  Its been an issue with temps and snow measuring forever, but no one cares, so I don't either.  

[Sundog]

2 minutes ago, FPizz said:

To me taking the average of both stations is probably the best option.  One gets a slight bump down, the other a slight bump up.  Newark though is nearly always the hottest whereas NYC a lot of times, even though overgrown, still finishes temp wise in the middle.  

 

Funny thing is people as you said use it, but like no one on the forum lives there.  They really should use other stations.  Its been an issue with temps and snow measuring forever, but no one cares, so I don't either.  

I think you'll find Central Park deviates more from the mean compared to Newark. 

Yesterday I was 98 degrees and I am all single family homes with trees and grass. 

LGA was also 98. Newark was 100. 

Central Park though was only 93! Come on bro 

[Sundog]

I just casually checked a few Ambient weather stations in the green suburbs just west of Newark airport and they mostly topped off at 99 degrees. Newark actually represents actual communities. 

Central Park only represents the 10 square feet around the station. 

[FPizz]

3 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I think you'll find Central Park deviates more from the mean compared to Newark. 

Yesterday I was 98 degrees and I am all single family homes with trees and grass. 

LGA was also 98. Newark was 100. 

Central Park though was only 93! Come on bro 

I'm talking about real stations, not personal ones.  But, you even just pointed out, Newark at 100 was still the hottest.  When a station is the hottest nearly 100% of the time and to pretend there isn't an issue is just plain silly.  Many times this is how Sacrus' 90 degree days look.  Every time EWR is at the top.  Sometimes NYC is at the bottom, but more often than not it is in the mix with other stations. I can give 2 craps about NYC though since they don't care and same with Newark.  The only people that care are the handful of posters here and elsewhere.  If people have been pointing out issues for what 20 years now and they don't do anything, you just have to accept it and move on.

EWR: 95
TEB: 91 
LGA: 90
New Brnswck: 90
PHL: 90
TTN: 88
NYC: 87
JFK: 86
BLM: 86
ACY: 86
ISP: 85

[winterwx21]

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

Tomorrow looks like a decent chance of some more widespread showers/storms-today looks dry

For south of the city it looks pretty active for tonight. We have a flash flood watch in effect here. I was just looking at the latest models, and they're actually not showing a lot of activity for tomorrow now. This evening might end up being more active than tomorrow. 

[Brian5671]

Just now, winterwx21 said:

For south of the city it looks pretty active for tonight. We have a flash flood watch in effect here. I was just looking at the latest models, and they're actually not showing a lot of activity for tomorrow night. This evening might end up being more active than tomorrow. 

Yeah I see that now.   Us northern folks may end up with close to nothing either day if the RGEM is correct.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

6 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I'm talking about real stations, not personal ones.  But, you even just pointed out, Newark at 100 was still the hottest.  When a station is the hottest nearly 100% of the time and to pretend there isn't an issue is just plain silly.  Many times this is how Sacrus' 90 degree days look.  Every time EWR is at the top.  Sometimes NYC is at the bottom, but more often than not it is in the mix with other stations. I can give 2 craps about NYC though since they don't care and same with Newark.  The only people that care are the handful of posters here and elsewhere.  If people have been pointing out issues for what 20 years now and they don't do anything, you just have to accept it and move on.

EWR: 95
TEB: 91 
LGA: 90
New Brnswck: 90
PHL: 90
TTN: 88
NYC: 87
JFK: 86
BLM: 86
ACY: 86
ISP: 85

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

[Brian5671]

4 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

We get the same thing here-they say oh it was 58 at BDR (which sits at a penisula out into the sound) meanwhile everyone else was 72...lol.   TV weathercasts are quickly becoming obsolete though-no one under age 40 watches TV news anymore....so many other options to get news/weather in this digital age.

[Sundog]

6 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

End of June heatwave wasn't so bad, we didn't even hit 100 once!

Lol

[Dark Star]

40 minutes ago, FPizz said:

I'm talking about real stations, not personal ones.  But, you even just pointed out, Newark at 100 was still the hottest.  When a station is the hottest nearly 100% of the time and to pretend there isn't an issue is just plain silly.  Many times this is how Sacrus' 90 degree days look.  Every time EWR is at the top.  Sometimes NYC is at the bottom, but more often than not it is in the mix with other stations. I can give 2 craps about NYC though since they don't care and same with Newark.  The only people that care are the handful of posters here and elsewhere.  If people have been pointing out issues for what 20 years now and they don't do anything, you just have to accept it and move on.

EWR: 95
TEB: 91 
LGA: 90
New Brnswck: 90
PHL: 90
TTN: 88
NYC: 87
JFK: 86
BLM: 86
ACY: 86
ISP: 85

I'm in Garwood NJ (central Union County), and usually within 1 or 2 degrees of Newark Airport temperatures.  I believe Forky says it is just as hot (or hotter?) several miles to the west of Newark Airport?