TheClimateChanger Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 The rankings themselves are kind of misleading, because there are a lot of places on there in 5th, 6th position, but all of the higher years are just within the past 10 years. Just 15 years ago, many of those red areas would probably be maroon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: The rankings themselves are kind of misleading, because there are a lot of places on there in 5th, 6th position, but all of the higher years are just within the past 10 years. Just 15 years ago, many of those red areas would probably be maroon. Another thing with rankings (and I don't know how it plays out with these rankings) if a month has, for example, the fifth highest temperature, it could still be out of the top ten warmest months if, for example, 6 months were tied for a higher number turning the 5th highest temperature into the 11 highest month. Having said that, there is no doubt in my mind we see far more above normal months rather than below normal months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Ranking tables normally account for ties and the case mentioned would be 11th warmest, after five tied at 6th warmest. It would not or at least should not be ranked seventh warmest. Some tables including CET differentiate by second decimals not visible in the table. The apparently tied months are marginally separated by these unprinted second decimals. In some ranking tables, it is up to you to establish ties, the table may be printed without ties identified. Most commonly, that kind of table will have the tied years listed in chronological order. But with everyone tweeting their own versions of climate stats, it is wise to find out whether they respect conventional ranking protocols or not. Also a top ten from a record of thirty years is obviously a bit easier to establish than a top ten from 155 years like NYC or 183 like Toronto. Another source of minor confusion in at least one prominent set of ranks (CET) is the practice of leaving the warmest rank blank until it happens, for example, this is what you see if you click on monthly ranks for CET ... at the bottom of the rankings where they place the warmest months, you find 1st (ranks on right, the ranks on left are in the sense of coldest of 355 in their records) blank for July to December ... further up the table you need to remember that what appears to be 40th warmest August is actually 39th warmest August. (EXCERPT of CET monthly rankings) 355 6.5 1686 6.9 1961 8.0 2022 10.2 1796 13.5 1868 16.4 1818 18.4 1808 18.0 1990 15.6 1780 12.5 1968 8.9 1881 7.3 1857 10.6 1990 11 356 6.6 1898 6.9 2019 8.1 1734 10.2 1944 13.5 1919 16.6 1775 18.4 2013 18.1 1955 15.6 1999 12.6 1959 9.1 1817 7.3 1988 10.6 1999 10 357 6.7 2008 6.9 2022 8.2 1750 10.3 1987 13.5 1947 16.8 1858 18.5 1995 18.2 1911 15.7 1760 12.7 1831 9.2 2022 7.4 1843 10.6 2017 9 358 6.7 1983 7.0 2002 8.2 1961 10.3 1893 13.5 1784 16.9 1798 18.5 1921 18.3 1747 16.0 1795 12.7 1995 9.2 1730 7.4 1828 10.6 1949 8 359 6.8 1975 7.1 1903 8.3 1990 10.3 2014 13.6 1992 16.9 1976 18.6 1976 18.3 2003 16.0 2021 12.8 1921 9.3 1743 7.5 1710 10.7 2018 7 360 6.9 1733 7.1 1945 8.3 1948 10.3 1798 13.6 1727 16.9 1762 18.7 1852 18.6 1947 16.1 2016 12.8 2022 9.4 1938 7.6 1733 10.7 2011 6 361 7.0 2007 7.2 1794 8.4 2012 10.5 1943 13.7 1808 17.0 2023 18.8 1783 18.6 1975 16.3 1949 12.9 2006 9.4 2015 7.7 1852 10.8 2020 5 362 7.1 1834 7.2 1998 8.4 1997 10.5 2020 13.8 1788 17.1 1822 19.2 2018 18.7 2022 16.3 1865 13.0 2005 9.5 1818 7.9 1974 10.9 2006 4 363 7.3 1796 7.3 1990 8.8 2017 10.6 1865 13.8 1758 17.3 1826 19.4 1983 19.0 1997 16.6 1729 13.1 1969 9.5 2011 8.1 1934 11.0 2014 3 364 7.3 1921 7.5 1869 9.1 1938 11.3 2007 13.9 1848 18.0 1676 19.8 2006 19.1 1995 16.9 2006 13.2 2001 9.9 1994 9.6 2015 11.1 2022 2 365 7.6 1916 7.9 1779 9.2 1957 11.9 2011 15.1 1833 18.2 1846 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 7/30 EWR: 83 ACY: 82 BLM: 81 New Brnswck: 81 TEB: 81 JFK: 81 PHL: 81 LGA: 80 NYC: 80 TTN: 79 ISP: 78 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, lee59 said: I would say summer in my area has not been bad. Yes July has been warm but June was comfortable. August will tell the tale. Yeah we didn't use the AC once in June, which I'm not sure has happened before. Pretty crazy how today feels though. Not only low dews, but 50's tonight. You could convince me it was the first week of September if the calendar still didn't say July. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will - Rutgers Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, JerseyWx said: Yeah we didn't use the AC once in June, which I'm not sure has happened before. just so glad this weather has returned without all the smoke it came with last time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 5 hours ago, bluewave said: Probably due to the higher pressure east of New England turning the flow more onshore since 2015. Newark has had 3 top 5 years for 90s since then. JFK hasn’t had any top 5 years since then. JFK needs westerly flow for a high number of 90° days. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 Missing Count 1 2010 54 0 2 2022 49 0 - 1993 49 0 3 1988 43 0 4 2021 41 0 - 2002 41 0 - 1991 41 0 5 2016 40 0 - 1983 40 0 - 1959 40 0 That 2022 tally should be 50. Believe youre missing the 90 in Sep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Will - Rutgers said: just so glad this weather has returned without all the smoke it came with last time I hope it stays that way. So nice seeing deep blue skies again and the mountains in the distance aren't hazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 62 already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkviking Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 In Smithtown I had a low of 56°. It has to be years since it was this cool in midsummer around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 The last day of July is averaging 77degs.(69/86) or Normal. Month to date is 79.2[+1.7]. July should end at 79.1[+1.5]. Reached 85 here yesterday at 7pm. Today: 81-85, wind w., few clouds, 69 tomorrow AM. 69*(60%RH) here at 7am. 71* at 8am. 75* at Noon. 77* at 1pm. Reached 80* at 2pm. 77* at 6pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 We hit 57F in Somerset. More 50s likely next couple days. Maybe some mid-low 50s too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 degree's a crystal clear morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestHillWx Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 here, progged for 53 tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 here for overnite low. Topped out at 75F yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Roger Smith said: Ranking tables normally account for ties and the case mentioned would be 11th warmest, after five tied at 6th warmest. It would not or at least should not be ranked seventh warmest. Some tables including CET differentiate by second decimals not visible in the table. The apparently tied months are marginally separated by these unprinted second decimals. In some ranking tables, it is up to you to establish ties, the table may be printed without ties identified. Most commonly, that kind of table will have the tied years listed in chronological order. But with everyone tweeting their own versions of climate stats, it is wise to find out whether they respect conventional ranking protocols or not. Also a top ten from a record of thirty years is obviously a bit easier to establish than a top ten from 155 years like NYC or 183 like Toronto. Another source of minor confusion in at least one prominent set of ranks (CET) is the practice of leaving the warmest rank blank until it happens, for example, this is what you see if you click on monthly ranks for CET ... at the bottom of the rankings where they place the warmest months, you find 1st (ranks on right, the ranks on left are in the sense of coldest of 355 in their records) blank for July to December ... further up the table you need to remember that what appears to be 40th warmest August is actually 39th warmest August. (EXCERPT of CET monthly rankings) 355 6.5 1686 6.9 1961 8.0 2022 10.2 1796 13.5 1868 16.4 1818 18.4 1808 18.0 1990 15.6 1780 12.5 1968 8.9 1881 7.3 1857 10.6 1990 11 356 6.6 1898 6.9 2019 8.1 1734 10.2 1944 13.5 1919 16.6 1775 18.4 2013 18.1 1955 15.6 1999 12.6 1959 9.1 1817 7.3 1988 10.6 1999 10 357 6.7 2008 6.9 2022 8.2 1750 10.3 1987 13.5 1947 16.8 1858 18.5 1995 18.2 1911 15.7 1760 12.7 1831 9.2 2022 7.4 1843 10.6 2017 9 358 6.7 1983 7.0 2002 8.2 1961 10.3 1893 13.5 1784 16.9 1798 18.5 1921 18.3 1747 16.0 1795 12.7 1995 9.2 1730 7.4 1828 10.6 1949 8 359 6.8 1975 7.1 1903 8.3 1990 10.3 2014 13.6 1992 16.9 1976 18.6 1976 18.3 2003 16.0 2021 12.8 1921 9.3 1743 7.5 1710 10.7 2018 7 360 6.9 1733 7.1 1945 8.3 1948 10.3 1798 13.6 1727 16.9 1762 18.7 1852 18.6 1947 16.1 2016 12.8 2022 9.4 1938 7.6 1733 10.7 2011 6 361 7.0 2007 7.2 1794 8.4 2012 10.5 1943 13.7 1808 17.0 2023 18.8 1783 18.6 1975 16.3 1949 12.9 2006 9.4 2015 7.7 1852 10.8 2020 5 362 7.1 1834 7.2 1998 8.4 1997 10.5 2020 13.8 1788 17.1 1822 19.2 2018 18.7 2022 16.3 1865 13.0 2005 9.5 1818 7.9 1974 10.9 2006 4 363 7.3 1796 7.3 1990 8.8 2017 10.6 1865 13.8 1758 17.3 1826 19.4 1983 19.0 1997 16.6 1729 13.1 1969 9.5 2011 8.1 1934 11.0 2014 3 364 7.3 1921 7.5 1869 9.1 1938 11.3 2007 13.9 1848 18.0 1676 19.8 2006 19.1 1995 16.9 2006 13.2 2001 9.9 1994 9.6 2015 11.1 2022 2 365 7.6 1916 7.9 1779 9.2 1957 11.9 2011 15.1 1833 18.2 1846 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 1 That’s why dense rank sorting for temperature records gives a much better perspective.https://www.voltactivedata.com/blog/2016/12/rank-dense-rank/ What if there are 5 contestants whose score is 100? How will we decide among them? One plausible way, in the absence of other deciding factors, would be to list all 5 as number one, awarding 5 first place prizes. If the first two scores are both 100, and the next is 99 is the contestant with score 99 the second or the third? In a baseball league the contestant with 99 would be third. In a contest where we care about scores more than contestants who achieve the scores, the 99 would be the second score. This might happen if we were looking at high temperatures in cities, and we care about the temperature numbers more than the cities that attained them. For shorthand in this note, call the first ranking the baseball ranking, and the second the temperature ranking The NWS is New York uses dense rank sorting for top 10 temperature records. So there can be more than 10 years attaining a top 10 for warmest or coldest. But they haven’t updated for the numerous top 10 warmest months since they last updated in 2021. https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Climate/CentralPark/warmcoldmonths.pdf https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Climate/CentralPark/warmcoldyearsmonths.pdf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 in Syosset & 57 in Muttontown this morning. Seems outside UHI areas it was 50s for everyone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, bkviking said: In Smithtown I had a low of 56°. It has to be years since it was this cool in midsummer around here. It was 56 degrees at ISP on this day just 2 years ago in 2021 50's in July aren't that abnormal. Used to have as many sub 60 degree nights as 90 degree days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, TWCCraig said: It was 56 degrees at ISP on this day just 2 years ago in 2021 50's in July aren't that abnormal. Used to have as many sub 60 degree nights as 90 degree days Yeah 50s were commonplace in July not that long ago even in the city but they're an increasingly rare occurrence now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 4th longest streak of 80+ days came to an end yesterday. It's been more uncomfortably humid this past July than most 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 this morning. 50s in July happen, nothing unusual. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Lovely weather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 78 / 54 off a low of 56.. Another gorgeous dry day. Low - mid 80s hot spots could sneak in an 87 or so but just a really nice out with partly sunny skies by the pm. The western ridge is staked in between PHX and Dallas Trough into the northeast with strong N/NW flow. More of the same to open the month Tuesday dry and low humidity near to below normal. By Thu (8/3) the flow is turning more southerly and so up goes the humidity. Fri (8/4) - the coming weekend is warm , humid and back comes storms chances. More towards a tropical transition. Where and when the sun is out it is quite warm with a hot airmass nearby and moving up on the sw flow by Mon 7th - 9th with next 90s potential. Beyond there the Western Atlantic Ridge builds west forces trough to back into the GL with humid , warm and stormy flow long the east cost. Towards the end of next week heights and ridging into the east could heat it up more. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Records: Highs: EWR: 103 (1954) NYC: 102 (1933) LGA: 97 (1954) Lows: EWR: 56 (1932) NYC: 57 (1914) LGA: 62 (1956) Historical: 1715: Spanish treasure ships, returning from the New World to Spain, encountered a hurricane during the early morning hours on this day. Eleven of the twelve ships were lost near present-day Vero Beach, Florida. 1949: Lightning struck a baseball field at Baker, Florida during a game. The shortstop and third baseman were killed instantly. 1976 - A stationary thunderstorm produced more than ten inches of rain which funneled into the narrow Thompson River Canyon of northeastern Colorado. A wall of water six to eight feet high wreaked a twenty-five mile path of destruction from Estes Park to Loveland killing 156 persons. The flash flood caught campers, and caused extensive structural and highway damage. Ten miles of U.S. Highway 34 were totally destroyed as the river was twenty feet higher than normal at times. (David Ludlum) (The Weather Channel) 1986 - The temperature at Little Rock, AR, soared to 112 degrees to establish an all-time record high for that location. Morrilton, AR, hit 115 degrees, and daily highs for the month at that location averaged 102 degrees. (The Weather Channel) 1987 - The deadliest tornado in 75 years struck Edmonton, Alberta, killing 26 persons and injuring 200 others. The twister caused more than 75 million dollars damage along its nineteen mile path, leaving 400 families homeless. At the Evergreen Mobile Home Park, up to 200 of the 720 homes were flattened by the tornado. (The National Severe Storms Forecast Center) 1987 - Afternoon highs of 106 degrees at Aberdeen, SD, and 102 degrees at Ottumwa, IA, and Rapid City, SD, established records for the date. It marked the seventh straight day of 100 degree heat for Rapid City. Baltimore, MD, reported a record twenty-two days of 90 degree weather in July. Evening thunderstorms produced golf ball size hail at Lemmon, SD, and wind gusts to 80 mph at Beulah, ND. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Twenty-one cities in the north central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date, including Sioux City, IA, with a reading of 107 degrees. The reading of 105 degrees at Minneapolis, MN, was their hottest since 1936. Pierre and Chamberlain, SD, with highs of 108 degrees, were just one degree shy of the hot spot in the nation, Palm Springs, CA. (The National Weather Summary) 1989 - Overnight thunderstorms soaked eastern Kansas and western Missouri with heavy rain. Four and a half inches of rain was reported at Nevada, MO. Evening thunderstorms in Oklahoma produced wind gusts to 75 mph at Covington. Six cities in the north central U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date, including Williston, ND, with a reading of 105 degrees. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, TWCCraig said: It was 56 degrees at ISP on this day just 2 years ago in 2021 50's in July aren't that abnormal. Used to have as many sub 60 degree nights as 90 degree days 14 of LGA;s record lows in July are in the 60s., 1 at EWR and 0 at NYC all 50s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, SACRUS said: 14 of LGA;s record lows in July are in the 60s., 1 at EWR and 0 at NYC all 50s. LGA shorter record period 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 17 hours ago, bluewave said: Probably due to the higher pressure east of New England turning the flow more onshore since 2015. Newark has had 3 top 5 years for 90s since then. JFK hasn’t had any top 5 years since then. JFK needs westerly flow for a high number of 90° days. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 Missing Count 1 2010 54 0 2 2022 49 0 - 1993 49 0 3 1988 43 0 4 2021 41 0 - 2002 41 0 - 1991 41 0 5 2016 40 0 - 1983 40 0 - 1959 40 0 Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 Missing Count 1 2010 32 0 2 1983 26 0 3 2002 21 0 4 1971 18 0 - 1949 18 0 5 2005 17 0 - 1991 17 0 This matches up with my experience too, nothing even close to 1983, 2002 and 2010! I take it neither NYC nor LGA has had any top 5 90+ days since then either, Chris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 32 minutes ago, psv88 said: 58 this morning. 50s in July happen, nothing unusual. Yep, in July in August. Did we all forget that it was in the 40s in June? Now that was unusual. I remember mornings in August when it was close to getting into the 40s (low of 50) when I was outside viewing the Perseids, the skies were very clear, no haze, felt like early fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, TWCCraig said: 4th longest streak of 80+ days came to an end yesterday. It's been more uncomfortably humid this past July than most July is supposed to be hot and dry, August is usually the month when it gets really humid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, TWCCraig said: 4th longest streak of 80+ days came to an end yesterday. It's been more uncomfortably humid this past July than most 1966 and 2010 fit the pattern of the hot and dry July and they had MUCH more extreme heat than anything we have had recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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