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October Discussion: Bring the Frost-Hold the Snow


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15 hours ago, weathafella said:

Once you hit a hard freeze the leaves shrivel and drop quickly even when green.

There's a moment when that occurs, just past dawn ... very fleeting. It only happens once if ever in a given autumn.  This year.. not yet so far.

The antecedent days features less wind.  Then, a hyper efficient radiator night takes place... 

Decoupled and dead calm, it's 24 by dawn ... You step out side and the only thing you hear ...other than the distant white noise of arising society, is the flicking sound of the cold-air dead-fall just raining down.  It's best if yellows and saffrons of orange and red hues, but this will do this with any stage, too. 

In some sense of a more discrete cause for this: maybe moisture in the leaf stems freezes, and as such ... it expands 12% with phase change.  That expansion at last severs the last of any fibers that were fixing the leaf stem to twig, and so the leaf cuts lose.   You can tell later that afternoon if this occurred, because you can see the old layer of dullard-colored leaf fall underneath a dappling of leafs still having their eye-pop. 

It's like a built in guarantee to deleaf the foliage, should the winds of autumn seldom return that year.  

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6 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

There's a moment when that occurs, just past dawn ... very fleeting. It only happens once if ever in a given autumn.  This year.. not yet so far.

The antecedent days features less wind.  Then, a hyper efficient radiator night takes place... 

Decoupled and dead calm, it's 24 by dawn ... You step out side and the only thing you hear ...other than the distant white noise of arising society, is the flicking sound of the cold-air dead-fall just raining down.  It's best if yellows and saffrons of orange and red hues, but this will do this with any stage, too. 

In some sense of a more discrete cause for this: maybe moisture in the leaf stems freezes, and as such ... it expands 12% with phase change.  That expansion at last severs the last of any fibers that were fixing the leaf stem to twig, and so the leaf cuts lose.   You can tell later that afternoon if this occurred, because you can see the old layer of dullard-colored leaf fall underneath a dappling of leafs still having their eye-pop. 

It's like a built in guarantee to deleaf the foliage, should the winds of autumn seldom return that year.  

I was more thinking resistant oaks deep into November and then a legit region wide night well below freezing as has happened a few times in recent years.

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1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

What a disaster of a day.

38-42F and raining with low clouds most of the day.  The only redeeming value was seeing snow on the ski trails just below the cloud deck.

These were the days we tried so hard to avoid :lol:.

Microclimates always fascinate me. Today we were like 1/4 me and less at times in fog. One of those dark dark days . When I drove down the hill under about 700’ was like 5 miles viz , no fog with brightening skies at times. This hill socks in with fig so often while areas a bit lower are in the clear so to speak. I’ve always wondered about it 

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33 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Microclimates always fascinate me. Today we were like 1/4 me and less at times in fog. One of those dark dark days . When I drove down the hill under about 700’ was like 5 miles viz , no fog with brightening skies at times. This hill socks in with fig so often while areas a bit lower are in the clear so to speak. I’ve always wondered about it 

Ha yeah the massif stretches into the clouds sometimes.  Big fan of microscale stuff myself.

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1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

Ha yeah the massif stretches into the clouds sometimes.  Big fan of microscale stuff myself.

I think I've been in the clouds more time when I lived at 200' in the Winchester Highlands than at 1600' here lol. Topography plays a huge role. Happened all the time when I was at Linderhof - had a house perched up on the hill above Storyland on the Bartlett /Jackson line. It just doesn't happen here in this giant bowl. 

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4 hours ago, powderfreak said:

What a disaster of a day.

38-42F and raining with low clouds most of the day.  The only redeeming value was seeing snow on the ski trails just below the cloud deck.

These were the days we tried so hard to avoid :lol:.

Wait ‘til next May 

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15 hours ago, powderfreak said:

What a disaster of a day.

38-42F and raining with low clouds most of the day.  The only redeeming value was seeing snow on the ski trails just below the cloud deck.

These were the days we tried so hard to avoid :lol:.

After bottoming at 28 before the clouds arrived, yesterday was locked in at 40°.  Updated forecast says we get <1" (maybe <0.5") from this coastal.  Will probably get the dousing this Saturday as it's the firearms deer season opener for residents.  (Two sons of friends punched their tickets last Saturday on Youth Day. :D

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16 minutes ago, tamarack said:

After bottoming at 28 before the clouds arrived, yesterday was locked in at 40°.  Updated forecast says we get <1" (maybe <0.5") from this coastal.  Will probably get the dousing this Saturday as it's the firearms deer season opener for residents.  (Two sons of friends punched their tickets last Saturday on Youth Day. :D

That's incarnate the torture endured by the indelibly devoted snow lover ... traveling through the eternal times of autumn.

20 to 40s fun killer temperature days ahead of synoptic events. I bet you, just to smack your faces up there it even smells like snow?   

I've seen that sort of phenomenon wait until 32.1 before the drizzle commences under the slate skies - ... while that internal monologue echoes, ' ..it was just f'n 24 F three hours ago'

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29 minutes ago, tamarack said:

After bottoming at 28 before the clouds arrived, yesterday was locked in at 40°.  Updated forecast says we get <1" (maybe <0.5") from this coastal.  Will probably get the dousing this Saturday as it's the firearms deer season opener for residents.  (Two sons of friends punched their tickets last Saturday on Youth Day. :D

The opener looks like a washout saturday...........:(

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On 10/25/2021 at 9:52 AM, Typhoon Tip said:

There's a moment when that occurs, just past dawn ... very fleeting. It only happens once if ever in a given autumn.  This year.. not yet so far.

The antecedent days features less wind.  Then, a hyper efficient radiator night takes place... 

Decoupled and dead calm, it's 24 by dawn ... You step out side and the only thing you hear ...other than the distant white noise of arising society, is the flicking sound of the cold-air dead-fall just raining down.  It's best if yellows and saffrons of orange and red hues, but this will do this with any stage, too. 

In some sense of a more discrete cause for this: maybe moisture in the leaf stems freezes, and as such ... it expands 12% with phase change.  That expansion at last severs the last of any fibers that were fixing the leaf stem to twig, and so the leaf cuts lose.   You can tell later that afternoon if this occurred, because you can see the old layer of dullard-colored leaf fall underneath a dappling of leafs still having their eye-pop. 

It's like a built in guarantee to deleaf the foliage, should the winds of autumn seldom return that year.  

I have a mulberry tree that drops all its leaves first frost. That's how I know we had the first frost, leaves are brown now but will stay on the tree until the frost hits.

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I hate that it does make me feel older to dislike these days... but man I am definitely not a fan of these chilled, wet rainy days.  Low clouds, low ceilings experience, where terrain just rises up into the clouds in all directions... gets dark with headlamp required to be outside by 6pm.  After the time change in a couple weeks, it'll be dark at 4:30pm.  A few months ago it felt like you could start a hike at 6pm, hang outside for an hour or three.

Days and days of dark, chilly rains.  Seems like stick season in the hills though.  It held off for as long as possible but now we are in it until it starts snowing with more frequency.

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18 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

I hate that it does make me feel older to dislike these days... but man I am definitely not a fan of these chilled, wet rainy days.  Low clouds, low ceilings experience, where terrain just rises up into the clouds in all directions... gets dark with headlamp required to be outside by 6pm.  After the time change in a couple weeks, it'll be dark at 4:30pm.  A few months ago it felt like you could start a hike at 6pm, hang outside for an hour or three.

Days and days of dark, chilly rains.  Seems like stick season in the hills though.  It held off for as long as possible but now we are in it until it starts snowing with more frequency.

Been 42-44 and dead calm with overcast for hours here. Steady state.

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42 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

I hate that it does make me feel older to dislike these days... but man I am definitely not a fan of these chilled, wet rainy days.  Low clouds, low ceilings experience, where terrain just rises up into the clouds in all directions... gets dark with headlamp required to be outside by 6pm.  After the time change in a couple weeks, it'll be dark at 4:30pm.  A few months ago it felt like you could start a hike at 6pm, hang outside for an hour or three.

Days and days of dark, chilly rains.  Seems like stick season in the hills though.  It held off for as long as possible but now we are in it until it starts snowing with more frequency.

Yea man. Those are brutal but I feel like I’ve always hated them regardless of age. I don’t recall ever enjoying what could be done outdoors in these when I was kid.

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1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

I hate that it does make me feel older to dislike these days... but man I am definitely not a fan of these chilled, wet rainy days.  Low clouds, low ceilings experience, where terrain just rises up into the clouds in all directions... gets dark with headlamp required to be outside by 6pm.  After the time change in a couple weeks, it'll be dark at 4:30pm.  A few months ago it felt like you could start a hike at 6pm, hang outside for an hour or three.

Days and days of dark, chilly rains.  Seems like stick season in the hills though.  It held off for as long as possible but now we are in it until it starts snowing with more frequency.

Ah ha. I bet you a dozen donuts no kid likes rectal plaque weather, either

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29 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

Yea man. Those are brutal but I feel like I’ve always hated them regardless of age. I don’t recall ever enjoying what could be done outdoors in these when I was kid.

Yeah, I was gonna say, other than ineedsnow and Mitch, nobody likes this stuff. 

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