Winter 2020-2021

[ORH_wxman]

Just now, CoastalWx said:

I haven't heard that, but I'm not sure I get that logic. From a public standpoint and a decision support stand point, I'm not sure why you sacrifice skill on events like tropical cyclone landfalls that can have a huge impact on the population where they make landfall. Yay, congrats on nailing the -RA on Seattle at day 5. 

Maybe because Europeans don't care about TCs.

[40/70 Benchmark]

4 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I haven't heard that, but I'm not sure I get that logic. From a public standpoint and a decision support stand point, I'm not sure why you sacrifice skill on events like tropical cyclone landfalls that can have a huge impact on the population where they make landfall. Yay, congrats on nailing the -RA on Seattle at day 5. 

That is what I heard...nothing to substantiate it. Anecdotally supported by the inferior performance with respect to track this season. Ironically enough, it has been fine with regard to intensity, the lower scoring metric under normal circumstances.

[Snowstorms]

14 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

I suppose I could take a blend of all 3 as well, but it's crazy how different my take in Michigan is compared to yours in New York.

95-96... Horrible screw zone. Cold and dry. Great if you like to ice fish

 

05-06...  The definition of front loaded. Lots of snow from Thanksgiving to Christmas.  A mild mess after New Year's.

 

07-08...  Stormy, stormy, stormy with tons of snow.

95-96..started great (Nov/Dec). Jan/Feb were just cold and dry and frankly boring. Mar was great and April too. Overall, we finished above avg (59.2") and 2.4 degrees below avg. 

05-06..started great (Nov/Dec). Rest of the winter was trash. Mild and snowless. If I'm not mistaken, it's top 10 or top 15 least snowiest winter on record at YYZ. Finished the season with 34". 

07-08.. best winter ever. Every month was epic. Finished the season with 92". Another station in the city finished with 99". Double our seasonal avg. 

[CoastalWx]

12 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Maybe because Europeans don't care about TCs.

 

7 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

That is what I heard...nothing to substantiate it. Anecdotally supported by the inferior performance with respect to track this season. Ironically enough, it has been fine with regard to intensity, the lower scoring metric under normal circumstances.

I mean if the model was meant for Europe...lol. But it is a global model and track means everything. I feel like I did hear something about that too....but I can also tell you it seems to be whiffing on some synoptic stuff here as well. We'll see what happens in the winter. Maybe it gets its swag back. 

[40/70 Benchmark]

7 minutes ago, Snowstorms said:

95-96..started great (Nov/Dec). Jan/Feb were just cold and dry and frankly boring. Mar was great and April too. Overall, we finished above avg (59.2") and 2.4 degrees below avg. 

05-06..started great (Nov/Dec). Rest of the winter was trash. Mild and snowless. If I'm not mistaken, it's top 10 or top 15 least snowiest winter on record at YYZ. Finished the season with 34". 

07-08.. best winter ever. Every month was epic. Finished the season with 92". Another station in the city finished with 99". Double our seasonal avg. 

I had about 73.5" at my mom's in Wilmington......best I can gather here in Methuen is around 90"....similar to your area.

Sharp gradient. Brian had like a 5' pack.

[dryslot]

1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

I had about 73.5" at my mom's in Wilmington......best I can gather here in Methuen is around 90"....similar to your area.

Sharp gradient. Brian had like a 5' pack.

137.5" here, Bring 07/08 back.

[uncle W]

1970-71 and 2007-08 were terrible here in NYC but they were great well north of here...

[J.Spin]

3 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

Common denominator of '95-'96, '05-'06, and '07-'08 were all 3 had very good or excellent Decembers.

 

3 hours ago, tamarack said:

So might I, but for much different opinions:

07-08...Great winter, snowiest one here, super retention but no big storms - just loads of moderate ones.

 

1 hour ago, Snowstorms said:

07-08.. best winter ever. Every month was epic. Finished the season with 92". Another station in the city finished with 99". Double our seasonal avg. 

It was actually funny to hear some of the less than stellar comments even mentioned in the presence of 2007-2008 – I didn’t know it was possible to put those two things together.  Around here it’s typically just spoken of with reverence, or you get comments like you guys have given.  In the past 20 seasons I think most folks would place it only behind 2000-2001.

Will’s strong December theme would certainly fit around here though – nearly 70” that December to help push the season to 200”+ for a very solid winter.

[Snowstorms]

32 minutes ago, uncle W said:

1970-71 and 2007-08 were terrible here in NYC but they were great well north of here...

1970-71 was another great winter up this way. 71.0" which is 25" above our seasonal average. DJFM all featured below normal temps. 1970-71 La Nina came after two consecutive Nino's (1968-70), similar to this year. 

[rimetree]

Selling my snowblower this afternoon...epic season incoming. 

[40/70 Benchmark]

@dendrite

I have not been able to sign in mobile for months...I get error message 2S119/1.

What is the issue?

Thanks.

[weathafella]

15 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

@dendrite

I have not been able to sign in mobile for months...I get error message 2S119/1.

What is the issue?

Thanks.

Probably your phone.

[uncle W]

2 hours ago, Snowstorms said:

1970-71 was another great winter up this way. 71.0" which is 25" above our seasonal average. DJFM all featured below normal temps. 1970-71 La Nina came after two consecutive Nino's (1968-70), similar to this year. 

the two years before 1970-71 were cold el nino winters...70-71 continued the cold theme...Feb 1969 was a bench mark for snow in Boston that was surpassed by Feb 2015...the last two winters have been mild and lets hope 2020-21 does not continue the mild theme...

[tamarack]

2 hours ago, J.Spin said:

 

 

It was actually funny to hear some of the less than stellar comments even mentioned in the presence of 2007-2008 – I didn’t know it was possible to put those two things together.  Around here it’s typically just spoken of with reverence, or you get comments like you guys have given.  In the past 20 seasons I think most folks would place it only behind 2000-2001.

Will’s strong December theme would certainly fit around here though – nearly 70” that December to help push the season to 200”+ for a very solid winter.

Of all Will's snowfall maps, 07-08 had by far the greatest latitudinal contrast.  IIRC, 20" or less along the Sound to 140" in central NH.  CAR's all time record 198" was too far north to fit on the page.

[ORH_wxman]

2 hours ago, tamarack said:

Of all Will's snowfall maps, 07-08 had by far the greatest latitudinal contrast.  IIRC, 20" or less along the Sound to 140" in central NH.  CAR's all time record 198" was too far north to fit on the page.

Yeah that was a fun one to draw up. I always say that I need to resume doing those but it’s hard these days with kids, lol. One of these years I definitely will though...unless some other entity beats me to the punch with detail and QC equal to or superior to what I set as my minimum standards. 

Anyways, here’s the 2007-2008 map again:

[powderfreak]

31 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah that was a fun one to draw up. I always say that I need to resume doing those but it’s hard these days with kids, lol. One of these years I definitely will though...unless some other entity beats me to the punch with detail and QC equal to or superior to what I set as my minimum standards. 

Anyways, here’s the 2007-2008 map again:

That is one helluva gradient as Tamarack said... just over a foot in SE CT to 125”+ in S/C NH.  Wow, that’s just a constant similar storm track over and over again.

[512high]

9 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

That is one helluva gradient as Tamarack said... just over a foot in SE CT to 125”+ in S/C NH.  Wow, that’s just a constant similar storm track over and over again.

lets do it again...........please

[Damage In Tolland]

51 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah that was a fun one to draw up. I always say that I need to resume doing those but it’s hard these days with kids, lol. One of these years I definitely will though...unless some other entity beats me to the punch with detail and QC equal to or superior to what I set as my minimum standards. 

Anyways, here’s the 2007-2008 map again:

That was the MLK melt year wasn’t it?

[dryslot]

07-08 was a great winter up here as well as 70-71, I would sign for either.

[ORH_wxman]

20 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

That was the MLK melt year wasn’t it?

No, MLK melt was 2010. It was a 2-parter. Round 1 was the bigger of the two parts. It was forecasted to be very marginal but the line literally set up along the MA/CT border. Even though you knew it was snowing up in ORH, you didn’t really melt down until the next day and the day after....

The next day after part 1, Megan posted pics of us hiking in the woods near us with fir trees draped in like 8” of paste and you absolutely lost it. Then the next day part 2 came through and you were expecting this one to probably be snow in Tolland and I actually was too...but then you reported that it was 33F and raining and wondering if it would flip to snow. As the hours passed, and it didn’t flip down there, I posted some pics of huge nickel/quarter sized flakes absolutely ripping in ORH with everything draped in another 3-4” or so and you went nuclear. Just a monster tantrum. It may have rivaled Scooter’s January 2015 tantrum right before the epic pattern crushed us. We’ll be telling our grandchildren about it. 

[CoastalWx]

There is no way mine came close. All I said was not going to happen to James and a comment to Steve. Kevin literally lost it and threatened to delete his account. 

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

There is no way mine came close. All I said was not going to happen to James and a comment to Steve. Kevin literally lost it and threatened to delete his account. 

We need to go back and find it...you were cussing out that 1/24 storm. You could feel the anger through the screen reading it. 

[CoastalWx]

I lost it truly twice in my lifetime. Once was  December ‘92. I may have shed a tear. It was the biggest gut punch I’ve ever had. I still remember that feeling. The other was the same winter. I drove south my my grandparents in Hyde Park and S+ paste turned to rain on rt 24. Of course it surged north to Boston, but I lost it in the car. It was further exacerbated by that asshole slant sticker in Stoneham. Mark Tarello. He called in 10”. Eff him.

[CoastalWx]

3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

We need to go back and find it...you were cussing out that 1/24 storm. You could feel the anger through the screen reading it. 

I remember saying how that POS storm was ruining that perfect bowling ball moving across the country. I definitely was not happy, but you have to admit...it was timed just right as far as the spacing goes. 

[CoastalWx]

I’m man enough to admit it, but I deeply hope nobody shares the pain I had in Dec ‘92. Blizzard warnings were up, parents telling me this would be the biggest storm of my life...only to change to white rain and snizzle from some sort of marine layer moving back in and a slot. 5-6” of paste prior. It was an awful pill to swallow. 

[ORH_wxman]

Just now, CoastalWx said:

I lost it truly twice in my lifetime. Once was  December ‘92. I may have shed a tear. It was the biggest gut punch I’ve ever had. I still remember that feeling. The other was the same winter. I drove south my my grandparents in Hyde Park and S+ page turned to rain on rt 24. Of course it surged north to Boston, but I lost it in the car. It was further exacerbated by that asshole slant sticker in Stoneham. Mark Tarello. He called in 10”. Eff him.

Was the second one the 3/24/93 event? There were other events that winter with a gradient but that one was really sharp. Very little fell south of about a Weymouth to Franklin line...it was a surprise event with marginal midlevels. Logan had like 8” and suburbs had 10”. 

Couldve been the 1/13/93 event too. That one had a very similar gradient. Really hit the pike region and northward good but not very much south. Lot of ZR over interior south of pike though. 

[Damage In Tolland]

26 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

No, MLK melt was 2010. It was a 2-parter. Round 1 was the bigger of the two parts. It was forecasted to be very marginal but the line literally set up along the MA/CT border. Even though you knew it was snowing up in ORH, you didn’t really melt down until the next day and the day after....

The next day after part 1, Megan posted pics of us hiking in the woods near us with fir trees draped in like 8” of paste and you absolutely lost it. Then the next day part 2 came through and you were expecting this one to probably be snow in Tolland and I actually was too...but then you reported that it was 33F and raining and wondering if it would flip to snow. As the hours passed, and it didn’t flip down there, I posted some pics of huge nickel/quarter sized flakes absolutely ripping in ORH with everything draped in another 3-4” or so and you went nuclear. Just a monster tantrum. It may have rivaled Scooter’s January 2015 tantrum right before the epic pattern crushed us. We’ll be telling our grandchildren about it. 

Oh yes. It’s coming back now. I remember those pics of you in the Mighty Mac jacket with the T-bar zipper. I lost it. I remember getting home, putting on the tv, looking at the Davis and throwing the remote as hard as possible across the room into the couch , and the battery cover coming off 

[CoastalWx]

5 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Was the second one the 3/24/93 event? There were other events that winter with a gradient but that one was really sharp. Very little fell south of about a Weymouth to Franklin line...it was a surprise event with marginal midlevels. Logan had like 8” and suburbs had 10”. 

Couldve been the 1/13/93 event too. That one had a very similar gradient. Really hit the pike region and northward good but not very much south. Lot of ZR over interior south of pike though. 

No, not that March one. I think we had several inches in that. I know it was latitude dependent because even Hingham  had 6.5” in that one. I think it was in January. I’ve always meant to go back and figure out what date it was, but I probably mentally blocked it from my memory lol.

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

I’m man enough to admit it, but I deeply hope nobody shares the pain I had in Dec ‘92. Blizzard warnings were up, parents telling me this would be the biggest storm of my life...only to change to white rain and snizzle from some sort of marine layer moving back in and a slot. 5-6” of paste prior. It was an awful pill to swallow. 

We share a lot of our favorite storms but this one is definitely polar opposites. That storm is my greatest weather memory and it would take something incredibly special to surpass it. 

 

[CoastalWx]

Just now, ORH_wxman said:

We share a lot of our favorite storms but this one is definitely polar opposites. That storm is my greatest weather memory and it would take something incredibly special to surpass it. 

 

I was just thinking that. I know it was the same for my friend Dan who lived in Hubby land  too. It’s crazy.  I know something like that is coming. All we can do is prepare.