dmillz25 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 They can technically happen anywhere semi close to the coast but the topography of New England makes it much easier for them to form because the shape of the ME/MA coastlines. A wind off the cold land in Portsmouth NH can be off the warmer water on the coast of MA....and it helps the coastal plain of Maine goes uninhibited from near Houlton right down to MA.I kinda figured that was the case. Thank you for explaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 They can technically happen anywhere semi close to the coast but the topography of New England makes it much easier for them to form because the shape of the ME/MA coastlines. A wind off the cold land in Portsmouth NH can be off the warmer water on the coast of MA....and it helps the coastal plain of Maine goes uninhibited from near Houlton right down to MA. The biggest difference seems to be that down here they only form with weak systems, usually 998mb or higher while up there it can happen with a 975 low. I've never seen that here. December 2000 was probably the strongest system to produce one. It does seem the last few years they occur more often here and very frequently with redeveloping SWFEs. The December 2013 SWFE was an amazing one, Newark was 21 while JFK was 43 at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 There's also an inherent force that points to the ocean too. So with the cold air forced east of the high terrain, the PGF will easily help turn winds north and help lock the CF near the coast. There are certainly many instances with a retreating high and CF moving NW. That's when interior NE MA can get a good dumping. It acts to broaden the heavy snow shield as the CF moves NW. We had that happen here in the long duration snow event in Feb 2015 when the CF took 18hrs to get past my locale. When it did, it collapsed back south again shortly after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 CF always fascinate me, but I am rarely on the good side of the front, I am always either in 25-26F temps during a blizzard, or 32-33F with paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCAPEWEATHERAF Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 What would happen if we got a White Hurricane, like a full fledged White Hurricane, a snowstorm with a hurricane trapped inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 What would happen if we got a White Hurricane, like a full fledged White Hurricane, a snowstorm with a hurricane trapped inside. Rain for the Cape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I'm more intrigued at the blocking potential this winter. We have an idea about Nina and can probably rule out something very strong or very weak. However The wild card is blocking. We may have a few things on our side, but we can't ignore the background state over the last few years. Having said that, AK is clearly important as well. We don't want a black eye over Anchorage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Hoping for a 15-20" season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I'm more intrigued at the blocking potential this winter. We have an idea about Nina and can probably rule out something very strong or very weak. However The wild card is blocking. We may have a few things on our side, but we can't ignore the background state over the last few years. Having said that, AK is clearly important as well. We don't want a black eye over Anchorage. unusually dim solar will help that - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Hoping for a 15-20" season. Glad I don't live with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 10, 2016 Author Share Posted July 10, 2016 Stack up the cords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Rain for the Cape.Dim sum in NNE.Blizz in Weymouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Dim sum in NNE. Blizz in Weymouth. I'm going to enjoy mojitos on my deck while you pound S+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Steve's apparent going quite cold and snowy. I'm not as sure as total ratterville given the fact that Nina probably won't be uber strong but let's see ssta in 2 months. If we get a decent winter I think thanksgiving to mlk is the bulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Steve's apparent going quite cold and snowy. I'm not as sure as total ratterville given the fact that Nina probably won't be uber strong but let's see ssta in 2 months. If we get a decent winter I think thanksgiving to mlk is the bulk. It wouldn't be winter if he didnt Hopefully it's early.Tired of the quick 3-6 weeks of winter on the backend under warming suns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 It wouldn't be winter if he didnt Hopefully it's early.Tired of the quick 3-6 weeks of winter on the backend under warming suns It would be nice to have winter in December one of these years haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 It would be nice to have winter in December one of these years haha. Ninas do favor a colder snowier December. Obviously it doesn't have to work out (see dec 2011) but it's better odds than in an El Niño. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 It wouldn't be winter if he didnt Hopefully it's early.Tired of the quick 3-6 weeks of winter on the backend under warming suns His first call last year was dead ratter but OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 His first call last year was dead ratter but OK That was early .But if I recall he became gung ho as we got into winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 It would be nice to have winter in December one of these years haha. Like the old days when it would start in late Nov and then really lock in once December hit and there was snow for Xmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 That was early .But if I recall he became gung ho as we got into winterIt's early now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 His first call last year was dead ratter but OKthank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 If only the CFSv2 would be correct for winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Ninas do favor a colder snowier December. Obviously it doesn't have to work out (see dec 2011) but it's better odds than in an El Niño. I wouldn't even count that year bc it was an all-out ratter....unless, December should be decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Steve's apparent going quite cold and snowy. I'm not as sure as total ratterville given the fact that Nina probably won't be uber strong but let's see ssta in 2 months. If we get a decent winter I think thanksgiving to mlk is the bulk. First guess is that it won't rat, but I don't think there will be any KUs, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 i just wanna be iglooed in with Patriot's games on tv - can you all work that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 That CFSV2 on Tropical Tidbits updates 4 times a day. How can someone waste bandwidth on monthly model updated 4 times a day? What a waste by NCEP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 That was early .But if I recall he became gung ho as we got into winter I don't think he ever went blockbuster.....he eventually went into the camp that I did.....late start, but decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'm excited....moderate Nina, -QBO, weak solar....not much to dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 That CFSV2 on Tropical Tidbits updates 4 times a day. How can someone waste bandwidth on monthly model updated 4 times a day? What a waste by NCEP. What use is a seasonal model that updates so regularly? It doesn't even make sense from any standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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