September Nor'Easter Obvs Thread

[CoastalWx]

Saw a few breaks in OVC. 

[SJonesWX]

snagged over an inch yesterday, storm total just under 2"

how's that for scientific measurement?

[tunafish]

1 minute ago, SJonesWX said:

snagged over an inch yesterday, storm total just under 2"

how's that for scientific measurement?

I heard your wx station is one of those non-scientific ones.  Sorry bud, we toss.

[Layman]

0.42" Sat, 0.89" Sun, 1.52" Mon and 0.15" today since midnight. 2.98" should do it for the total.  Forecasts were between 2.5" - 3.5" for this area if I recall correctly so they seem pretty spot on.

[Great Snow 1717]

6 hours ago, vortex95 said:

The way even basic TV services continue to increase in costs has become a major issue, and I have read that networks are pushing to be able to *charge* you for their station access, when it always has been free w/ antennas w/o cable.  Yes, that would conflict w/ FCC regulations I think but never understated the power of lobby.

The entire TV landscape is becoming a CF.  Streaming was supposed to be the panacea, but now it is more expensive than cable w/ regular price increases way ahead of inflation.  And for sports fans?  Trying to find *where* your local or fav team will be on, not just when, is becoming absurd.  Sometimes you do not even know the day before what streaming service/station a particular game will be on!  And just wait until the SB becomes PPV!

Ive been stating for years that  sports moving to streaming is laying the ground work for an eventual move to PPV....

[Great Snow 1717]

8 hours ago, vortex95 said:

That's major problem these days.  No accountability.  Whether it be legacy media or social media, it always about what's *going to* happen w/ endless speculation, conjecture, and hedging that is over-the-top.  Fcst does not work out as planned or not at all?, memory hole it and just move on to the next event or distract w/ other content.  It is business model that is more self-serving than doing a service.

...the lack of accountability has been a problem for years and it continues to get worse. They think people arent owed an explanation...and it certainly has become more self serving than doing a service..

[CoastalWx]

9 hours ago, vortex95 said:

That's major problem these days.  No accountability.  Whether it be legacy media or social media, it always about what's *going to* happen w/ endless speculation, conjecture, and hedging that is over-the-top.  Fcst does not work out as planned or not at all?, memory hole it and just move on to the next event or distract w/ other content.  It is business model that is more self-serving than doing a service.

I have no idea what he’s talking about. It was a top story, but the communication by local Mets looked on point. NWS called for minor CF with pockets of moderate potential and that’s what happened. Winds were correct and I think models did a good job with the NW-SE max QPF in SE MA to metro west. 

[CoastalWx]

It was highly anomalous for this time of year, and with weekends busy with activities, I don’t have an issue with it being a top story. 
 

I will say I was a little surprised at the lack of damage and power outages with winds near 50kts. Then again Mother Nature has done some good tree trimming around here since 2010 or so. 

[ineedsnow]

8 hours ago, vortex95 said:

Did you like the alkaline FOAM INVASION on the beach as the tide came in?  I hope you didn't stand in it like reporters sometimes do...gross!

 didn't stand in it but I did see a lady pick some up.. there was a ton of it

[ineedsnow]

9 hours ago, vortex95 said:

Had a weenie friend go to Hampton Beach today.  Sand drifts along the boardwalk were NUTZ!  Has @CoastalWx ever seen such before in GHG????
 

We drift! 

[CoastalWx]

Ha that’s pretty cool. Haven’t seen sand drifts like that. 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

8.27” final.

Nice drink. Let’s see if we can get some sun out the rest of the week to green up that lawn.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

8 hours ago, Prismshine Productions said:

Imagine if it was winter

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If it was winter, it would’ve cut 300mi west or have gone out to sea. 

[Great Snow 1717]

24 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

If it was winter, it would’ve cut 300mi west or have gone out to sea. 

leaving methuen with rain or a few flurries...

[dendrite]

1 hour ago, ineedsnow said:

 didn't stand in it but I did see a lady pick some up.. there was a ton of it

Get me some washed up kelp

[Great Snow 1717]

10 hours ago, vortex95 said:

One issue is the all storms have the same cookie-cutter hype formula in the eyes of TV stations.  Sure, not all OCMs follow that or want to do that, but many are forced to.

If one wanted to scale things properly and have something unique to say, they should have said, "such a storm fcst is quite unusual for September", but that takes more than generic knowledge of wx, one needs to know local wx history as well.  This is of value b/c it puts things in proper context and perspective, which sadly is sorely lacking these days in media.

Not all Nor'easters are alike, but they are treated as such for max hype and ratings.

Heaven help us when the next HU takes aim at New England.   Mark my words, they will make ZERO difference between the 1938 HU and a MEH HU like Belle in 1976.  "Look, the track is *similar* the 1938 HU!"  O-kay, but all big HU hits in New England have similar tracks!  That doesn't say anything really to the public as to total sensible wx impact  It's like after Sandy, every E Coast TC threat was "track similar to Sandy" which in that case was nonsense.  Sandy 's track was exceptional.   But never let a recent big event go unused for hype for "the next one!" 
 

100% correct!

 

[Brewbeer]

4 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I report exact data rainfall and temps from a scientific wx station. . What kind of station do you have ? You seem very old fashioned and behind the times, so I’m guessing an old mercury thermometer mounted outside the kitchen window all rusted out. 

old fashioned and behind the times?  lol !  I might me a few years older than you, but I'm fairly certain based on what you've posted on these forums over the years that you are way more "old fashioned" and way more "behind the times" 

my thermo is one of those alcohol filled jobbers.  Mercury is extremely toxic to anything alive and leaving a mercury filled thermometer exposed in the environment is a bad idea

I don't have a weather station yet, but would like to get one.   If I get one, I will site the sensors where they they belong; I sure won't mount the temp sensor next to the grill on my deck like yours.   Torch !

[CCHurricane]

Nauset Beach on Saturday afternoon. 

[ma blizzard]

4.97" 

[Great Snow 1717]

47 minutes ago, Brewbeer said:

old fashioned and behind the times?  lol !  I might me a few years older than you, but I'm fairly certain based on what you've posted on these forums over the years that you are way more "old fashioned" and way more "behind the times" 

my thermo is one of those alcohol filled jobbers.  Mercury is extremely toxic to anything alive and leaving a mercury filled thermometer exposed in the environment is a bad idea

I don't have a weather station yet, but would like to get one.   If I get one, I will site the sensors where they they belong; I sure won't mount the temp sensor next to the grill on my deck like yours.   Torch !

Perhaps that is why he enjoyed a September torch??

[Typhoon Tip]

the problem with orchestrating life behaviors around traditional points of views and perspectives/belief systems is when objective evidence, and math, prove that the old traditional methods are harmful - yet, they remain unwavering.

 

[Baroclinic Zone]

Off and on drizzle all AM

[tamarack]

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

[Layman]

31 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

Is there a specific reason why the swamp maples always seem to turn early and be so vibrant?  My simple guess is something to do with the moisture in their environment, but I was curious if there's some solid known reason.  Or, am I just imagining they turn early to begin with 

[tamarack]

7 minutes ago, Layman said:

Is there a specific reason why the swamp maples always seem to turn early and be so vibrant?  My simple guess is something to do with the moisture in their environment, but I was curious if there's some solid known reason.  Or, am I just imagining they turn early to begin with 

"Swamp maples" are almost always red maples (Acer rubrum) on a wet site.  The wetness lowers fertility and keeps the roots somewhat cooler than on well drained sites, probably causing that early turning (as you guessed).  The color is common for most red maples (excellent this year), though there's a variety of sorts that turns yellow (also good).

[Layman]

11 minutes ago, tamarack said:

"Swamp maples" are almost always red maples (Acer rubrum) on a wet site.  The wetness lowers fertility and keeps the roots somewhat cooler than on well drained sites, probably causing that early turning (as you guessed).  The color is common for most red maples (excellent this year), though there's a variety of sorts that turns yellow (also good).

Thanks for the details - much appreciated!  We drove past a patch today in Portsmouth that were so bright and vibrant.  Really pretty this year.

[CT Valley Snowman]

1 hour ago, tamarack said:

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

Peak seems a solid week early for you?  Perhaps drought is playing a role?  

[powderfreak]

3 hours ago, tamarack said:

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

The reds this year are insane.

[SJonesWX]

20 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

The reds this year are insane.

same down here 

[vortex95]

13 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

It was highly anomalous for this time of year, and with weekends busy with activities, I don’t have an issue with it being a top story. 
 

I will say I was a little surprised at the lack of damage and power outages with winds near 50kts. Then again Mother Nature has done some good tree trimming around here since 2010 or so. 

Did not have much "cleaning" of the trees after Gloria in 1985.  Bob did some in 1991, but only in RI/sern MA really.  The only real big tree cleanings in the 90s and massive power outages was the early Dec 1996 1-2 punch (only time I have seen two discrete strong nor'easter back-to-back in 2 calendar days here!) and then the ice storm in Jan 1998.  Then nothing that big until the Dec 2008 ice storm and then we really got some "house cleaning" events since w/ a cluster into the mid 2010s.  @CoastalWxcan't stop talking about the GHG tree damage from the Bliz of 13!

But a true widespread cleaning is still lacking overall. Need another Gloria or higher for that.  Need to tax/pressure the trees inland w/ FQT G60kt and higher for several hours w/ leaves on the trees and an unfrozen ground.  @ineedsnow be like "BRING IT ON!"