January 24-26: Miracle or Mirage JV/Banter Thread!

[Maestrobjwa]

So...I anybody here willing to make a tutorial video about just the basics of reading soundings and H5? I mean there's plenty to read about it I'm sure, but...like if it was just a "H5 for dummies" kinda video for laymen that would be awesome!

[aldie 22]

2 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

Increment me 6 more times daddy!

You read this before you hit send right?

[Maestrobjwa]

3 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

Increment me 6 more times daddy!

Cool it Ravensrule

[mappy]

7 minutes ago, Amped said:

I know we're supposed to be respectful to the nws but that computer generated snowfall graphic updating every 10 minutes is the most blankity blank blank thing.

You could not pay attention to it? 

[H2O]

I just threw up in my mouth a little reading that

[WxUSAF]

lol

[yoda]

7 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said:

IMO, it's rimmed snow, but that's snow.

H/t @high risk for another goodie

[2015Wrx]

9 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

So...I anybody here willing to make a tutorial video about just the basics of reading soundings and H5? I mean there's plenty to read about it I'm sure, but...like if it was just a "H5 for dummies" kinda video for laymen that would be awesome!

I would love to figure out how to read soundings. I have been looking at them for years and still have no idea lol

[TSSN+]

Dude out here at Sheetz expecting the power to be out till 2027

[caviman2201]

Ok that really is impressive now that Mt. Holly has issued their warnings...

[32º]

38 minutes ago, H2O said:

I am literally fascinated at the idea of sleet in inches.  This storm could be epic

I assume that freezing rain could cement all the sleet into one solid mass.

[Nomz]

4 minutes ago, 2015Wrx said:

I would love to figure out how to read soundings. I have been looking at them for years and still have no idea lol

when green line go past blue line bad

[RickinBaltimore]

Add Coppin State to the list of closures. We are closed Sunday/Monday

[psuhoffman]

16 minutes ago, Nomz said:

Euro seems unusually dry. Even places up north like BOX and ALY only see just over 10 inches on 10:1.

You came to the right place... you will find everyone in here is very sympathetic to the plight of Boston

[Wxtrix]

17 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

So...I anybody here willing to make a tutorial video about just the basics of reading soundings and H5? I mean there's plenty to read about it I'm sure, but...like if it was just a "H5 for dummies" kinda video for laymen that would be awesome!

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+read+a+sounding+video

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+read+"500+hPa"+weather+map

[Maestrobjwa]

4 minutes ago, Wxtrix said:

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+read+a+sounding+video

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+read+"500+hPa"+weather+map

Now why'd ya have to be snippy like that? That's how arguments start, smh

Now I haven't searched for a long time...but the last time I did I don't recall finding a tutorial. Will look again...found soundings but not H5.

[Nomz]

2 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

You came to the right place... you will find everyone in here is very sympathetic to the plight of Boston

I was just looking at the 10:1 snow map and it looked off up north and figured it would have upstream effects. 

[Bob Chill]

30 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

So...I anybody here willing to make a tutorial video about just the basics of reading soundings and H5? I mean there's plenty to read about it I'm sure, but...like if it was just a "H5 for dummies" kinda video for laymen that would be awesome!

This is a pretty good video tutorial. 

 

 

Since we focus mainly on winter wx, you dont have to master everything. At the very least, memorize levels, temps, and wind direction. All a sounding is is a vertical visualization of the atmosphere from the surface to the jet stream. Winter wx focuses mainly on 500mb or below or roughly 18k' down to the surface. 

Learn to locate the 0C (freezing line). It runs diagonal and memorize altitude of key levels like 500mb (approx 18k'), 700mb (approx 10k'), and 850mb (approx 5k'). Levels are related to pressure are not static and altitude varies but the approx levels are the most common. 

Once you get that and the 0C line yaou can track temperature above your head and easily spot the trouble areas and also predict ptype. 

 

[Wxtrix]

4 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Now why'd ya have to be snippy like that? That's how arguments start, smh

Now I haven't searched for time...but the last time I did I don't recall finding a tutorial. Will look again.

 

you just asked people here to stop what they are doing and and create a video that already exists just to cater to you. 

and I literally gave you a link to a list of videos to learn about soundings.

[baltosquid]

24 minutes ago, 2015Wrx said:

I would love to figure out how to read soundings. I have been looking at them for years and still have no idea lol

Green line is dews. Red line is temps. Blue line is hieroglyphics if it's there. Maybe it's just for RGB funsies? Y axis is altitude. X axis is temp at ground level. Isotherms (lines of equal temp) go up and to the right and form the "skewed" x axis. We only really care about the freezing one because we're weenies.

 

Dew and temps close together is moister. Lines deflecting more to the right indicates lift I think? Everything keeping behind the freezing isotherm means you get snow. The surface being freezing but too much above (or too close to the surface) being across the freezing line means you get freezing rain. The surface being freezing but a little bit (or far from the surface) being across the freezing line means you get sleet. Or maybe rimed snow. Graupel goes in there somewhere, idk. I hate graupel. Just don't cross the damn freezing line please. Surface not being freezing but dewpoints being dry and the rest of the column looking like that snow description and you might get non accumulating snow, or only on friendly surfaces for a short while. Surface not being freezing and the column being shit, yup, you guessed it, rain.

This is probably a gross oversimplification and you shouldn't trust me. My profile picture is a dog. Not some cool weather thing. My profile role is not red. Here's some more info...

https://www.weather.gov/source/zhu/ZHU_Training_Page/convective_parameters/skewt/skewtinfo.html

[baltosquid]

Oh also there are wind barbs on the right side, I think you want those to be not whacked out for good snow ratios?

[Maestrobjwa]

6 minutes ago, Wxtrix said:

 

you just asked people here to stop what they are doing and and create a video that already exists just to cater to you. 

and I literally gave you a link to a list of videos to learn about soundings.

I didn't say stop what you're doing...I was speaking in general some time in the future not right now...goodness gracious. And not JUST for me but for others like me who don't always understand what they're looking at! Could ya be anymore unkind?

 

6 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

This is a pretty good video tutorial. 

 

 

Since we focus mainly on winter wx, you dont have to master everything. At the very least, memorize levels, temps, and wind direction. All a sounding is is a vertical visualization of the atmosphere from the surface to the jet stream. Winter wx focuses mainly on 500mb or below or roughly 18k' down to the surface. 

Learn to locate the 0C (freezing line). It runs diagonal and memorize altitude of key levels like 500mb (approx 18k'), 700mb (approx 10k'), and 850mb (approx 5k'). Levels are related to pressure are not static and altitude varies but the approx levels are the most common. 

Once you get that and the 0C line yaou can track temperature above your head and easily spot the trouble areas and also predict ptype. 

 

Thank you Bob for not being a jerk. I'm just trying to learn and speak for others like me that are just laymen and don't know whst we're looking at half the time--I will definitely look at the vid and I appreciate the explanation.

[Maestrobjwa]

4 minutes ago, baltosquid said:

Green line is dews. Red line is temps. Blue line is hieroglyphics if it's there. Maybe it's just for RGB funsies? Y axis is altitude. X axis is temp at ground level. Isotherms (lines of equal temp) go up and to the right and form the "skewed" x axis. We only really care about the freezing one because we're weenies.

 

Dew and temps close together is moister. Lines deflecting more to the right indicates lift I think? Everything keeping behind the 0 deg isotherm means you get snow. The surface being freezing but too much above (or too close to the surface) being across the 0 deg line means you get freezing rain. The surface being freezing but a little bit (or far from the surface) being across the freezing line means you get sleet. Or maybe rimed snow. Graupel goes in there somewhere, idk. I hate graupel. Just don't cross the damn freezing line please. Surface not being freezing but dewpoints being dry and the rest of the column looking like that snow description and you might get non accumulating snow, or only on friendly surfaces for a short while. Surface not being freezing and the column being shit, yup, you guessed it, rain.

This is probably a gross oversimplification and you shouldn't trust me. My profile picture is a dog. Not some cool weather thing. My name is not red. Here's some more info...

https://www.weather.gov/source/zhu/ZHU_Training_Page/convective_parameters/skewt/skewtinfo.html

Thanks for sharing!

[Rhino16]

4 minutes ago, baltosquid said:

Blue line is hieroglyphics if it's there. Maybe it's just for RGB funsies?

Blue is the wet bulb, very important!

[Demeter]

19 minutes ago, 32º said:

I assume that freezing rain could cement all the sleet into one solid mass.

I lived in southern nj, near Philly, before 2010. I will assume it was the 2007 sleetfest that people talk about, but that is exactly what happened there. It was like cement for days and days afterwards. I’ve never seen anything like it. Truly wild stuff. 

[Wxtrix]

2 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

I didn't say stop what you're doing...I was speaking in general some time in the future not right now...goodness gracious. Could ya be anymore unkind?

indeed I could be. but I am simply being direct because you are an adult and not a child. and I also literally provided you with a list of videos.

[Maestrobjwa]

3 minutes ago, Wxtrix said:

indeed I could be. but I am simply being direct because you are an adult and not a child. and I also literally provided you with a list of videos.

Well that's funny...3 other people in here responded graciously and it's not started a convo and sharing of information. And all you had to do is share the links, not with the passive-aggressive "Was that so hard??" thing. Totally unecessary. Nah--you just naturally go at people like that. Adults ask other adults about crap they don't know.

And lo and behold...and H5 video that demonstrated what I was talking about I did not find.

[Shane M.]

32 minutes ago, 2015Wrx said:

I would love to figure out how to read soundings. I have been looking at them for years and still have no idea lol

 

42 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

So...I anybody here willing to make a tutorial video about just the basics of reading soundings and H5? I mean there's plenty to read about it I'm sure, but...like if it was just a "H5 for dummies" kinda video for laymen that would be awesome!

You could create an account on the COMET ucar website and take a look at this:

https://learn.meted.ucar.edu/#/online-courses/43c003e8-0c3d-4cba-bfa0-467845c88b40

[stormtracker]

47 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

Increment me 6 more times daddy!

 

40 minutes ago, yoda said:

H/t @high risk for another goodie

WxUSAF with the daddy quotes and we talking Rimmed snow.  

Reminds me of simpler times.    

We all need sleep

[Kay]

Just now, Maestrobjwa said:

Well that's funny...3 other people in here responded graciously and it's not started a convo and sharing of information. And all you had to do is share the links, not with the passive-aggressive "Was that so hard??" like how dare you ask anybody for an explanation. Adults ask other adults about crap they don't know. And lo and behold...and H5 video that demonstrated what I was talking about I did not find.

Anyway...Maestro, you can read music. A graphical representation of keys, pitch, rhythm, etc etc so many factors. Most people look at that like you look at a sounding, and feel mystified, maybe intimidated. I bet if you psych yourself up and think I can do it, and take the time with it, you can.