December 2023

[Damage In Tolland]

We’ll alll have  a blue.. blue .. blue .. green Christmas .

 

[George001]

4 hours ago, rehjr said:

Congrats he mentioned you in a post in the NYC city thread. Called out you and I on a post I made. If he believes in AGW why in the hell did he predict one blizzard after another  last winter for Boston? Called for 100”. He’s living proof anyone can be brainwashed into believing anything. 

For fucks sake AGW isn’t something you believe in or don’t. It’s happening now, was happening in 2014-2015, and will continue to happen. I got excited about the pattern last December and thought that the Nina + blocking + AGW enhanced mild ocean temps would enhance snowfall ASSUMING IT WAS COLD ENOUGH. I was wrong, simple as that. Yeah, my predictions last year were dumb and I’ll own that. I’m not forecasting those crazy numbers anymore because I listened to people who know more than I do and learned from my mistakes. Maybe you should do the same thing with AGW, but we both know you and Wolfie won’t. I’m not even going to bother explaining why 100+ inch winters such as 2014-2015 are not inconsistent with AGW. There is no point in trying to reason with you deniers. YOU are the one who is brainwashed, not me. 

[Damage In Tolland]

Looks like Stein holds some ill will about not being included in past Xmas parties for the station .,They tucked him in the corner today .. peepin’ n creepin’

https://x.com/growingwisdom/status/1737959551767363994?s=46&t=dhcbvkjmRcyBVQtDxJ3lRg

[Torch Tiger]

2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Looks like Stein holds some ill will about not being included in past Xmas parties for the station .,They tucked him in the corner today .. peepin’ n creepin’

https://x.com/growingwisdom/status/1737959551767363994?s=46&t=dhcbvkjmRcyBVQtDxJ3lRg

[SnowHole413]

Starting to feel like we see nothing until January 15th and beyond. I work outside for the utilities and these storms feel like late October. Nothing in the Adirondacks or NNE. I hope things change soon

[Cuteirishgirl25]

Yes, it’s true. We are in a warm cycle when it comes to the weather especially the oceans and have been for quite some time.  but the crap they’re trying to sell you on mainstream media that it’s the human race causing it’ are a bunch of liars. Still waiting for Al Gore  to apologize to everyone when his predictions did not come true he said back in 1998 in his book earth in the balance that our kids would only be able to see Snow in textbooks. The conveniently always forget about the medieval warm period.

[Torch Tiger]

6 minutes ago, SnowHole413 said:

Starting to feel like we see nothing until January 15th and beyond. I work outside for the utilities and these storms feel like late October. Nothing in the Adirondacks or NNE. I hope things change soon

Nothing?  I'm not even there lol  I'm thinking interior has a solid Jan 1-15

[Torch Tiger]

wow this is bad, regular folks in interior NE MA nearly NH thinking nothing before Jan 15th

[SnowHole413]

1 minute ago, Torch Tiger said:

Nothing?  I'm not even there lol  I'm thinking interior has a solid January

I hope so. I’ve barely had to scrap frost off the windshield. 

[SnowHole413]

I mean this looks horrid for December 21

[EastonSN+]

36 minutes ago, George001 said:

For fucks sake AGW isn’t something you believe in or don’t. It’s happening now, was happening in 2014-2015, and will continue to happen. I got excited about the pattern last December and thought that the Nina + blocking + AGW enhanced mild ocean temps would enhance snowfall ASSUMING IT WAS COLD ENOUGH. I was wrong, simple as that. Yeah, my predictions last year were dumb and I’ll own that. I’m not forecasting those crazy numbers anymore because I listened to people who know more than I do and learned from my mistakes. Maybe you should do the same thing with AGW, but we both know you and Wolfie won’t. I’m not even going to bother explaining why 100+ inch winters such as 2014-2015 are not inconsistent with AGW. There is no point in trying to reason with you deniers. YOU are the one who is brainwashed, not me. 

At the risk of experiencing the eye of the Tiger, wasn't last December's failure due to the depth and positioning of the west coast trough? I do not see how we could have realized success with that setup. Are there any examples of a similar setup resulting in a snowstorm for our area?

[HIPPYVALLEY]

This thread is approaching unreadable.  
 

The pattern looks better for much of interior NE.  Patience. 

[EastonSN+]

Just now, HIPPYVALLEY said:

This thread is approaching unreadable.  
 

The pattern looks better for much of interior NE.  Patience. 

Yup, January looks better atm.

[ORH_wxman]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

At the risk of experiencing the eye of the Tiger, wasn't last December's failure due to the depth and positioning of the west coast trough? I do not see how we could have realized success with that setup. Are there any examples of a similar setup resulting in a snowstorm for our area?

You’d need a huge vortex pushing down from eastern Canada to make it work. Prior to the Christmas 2002 storm we had that. A really deep SW trough into Baja but look at our area…that was setting it up for a Miller B redeveloper instead of a torching cutter. 

 

[HIPPYVALLEY]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

Yup, January looks better atm.

There are ways it can work.  Let’s see how it looks next week.

[Ed, snow and hurricane fan]

10 minutes ago, Cuteirishgirl25 said:

Yes, it’s true. We are in a warm cycle when it comes to the weather especially the oceans and have been for quite some time.  but the crap they’re trying to sell you on mainstream media that it’s the human race causing it’ are a bunch of liars. Still waiting for Al Gore  to apologize to everyone when his predictions did not come true he said back in 1998 in his book earth in the balance that our kids would only be able to see Snow in textbooks. The conveniently always forget about the medieval warm period.

On the one hand, the Earth has been warming for several hundred years.  OTOH, all time temperature records in polar regions of North America and Asia is a little concerning.  Record Atlantic ocean temps as well last Summer.  It looks like there is anthropogenic influence superimposed on the normal climate change.  I'm no liberal, I haven't voted Dem since 1992, and have been solid R except for 2016, I voted 3rd party.  But not Dem.

[butterfish55]

Here we go.....

[ORH_wxman]

2 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

There are ways it can work.  Let’s see how it looks next week.

We might still get a storm prior to January. There’s some signal on both GFS and Euro suites of something around 12/31. And yes, the pattern looks solid beyond that. 

[FXWX]

5 minutes ago, Cuteirishgirl25 said:

Yes, it’s true. We are in a warm cycle when it comes to the weather especially the oceans and have been for quite some time.  but the crap they’re trying to sell you on mainstream media that it’s the human race causing it’ are a bunch of liars. Still waiting for Al Gore  to apologize to everyone when his predictions did not come true he said back in 1998 in his book earth in the balance that our kids would only be able to see Snow in textbooks. The conveniently always forget about the medieval warm period.

You are perfect example of what problem is these days with trying to discuss science related topics from climate change to vaccinations.  It's never an all or nothing argument.  There is no doubt there is a human component to climate trends.  The question is how significant??? It is certainly not 100% nor is it 0%.  Folks can stick their heads in the sand and block their ears if they want to, but that does not change the facts about climate trends and the likely partial input from humans.  On the other hand, those who want to scream and shout that the issue is 100% human caused are just as guilty.  My suggestion is read a variety of peer reviewed studies and stop listening to the extremes on both sides.  Is will be my one and only post on the subject.  I have zero desire to try to convince folks on the extremes of either side of the issue what to believe... 

[dendrite]

OK cut it with the climate change posts. 

[CoastalWx]

Snow is needed badly.

[ORH_wxman]

3 minutes ago, FXWX said:

You are perfect example of what problem is these days with trying to discuss science related topics from climate change to vaccinations.  It's never an all or nothing argument.  There is no doubt there is a human component to climate trends.  The question is how significant??? It is certainly not 100% nor is it 0%.  Folks can stick their heads in the sand and block their ears if they want to, but that does not change the facts about climate trends and the likely partial input from humans.  On the other hand, those who want to scream and shout that the issue is 100% human caused are just as guilty.  My suggestion is read a variety of peer reviewed studies and stop listening to the extremes on both sides.  Is will be my one and only post on the subject.  I have zero desire to try to convince folks on the extremes of either side of the issue what to believe... 

Yep and this isn’t the forum to debate every attribution. Anyone who has read a lot of the attribution literature when it comes to patterns and actual weather events knows it’s not a very cut and dried part of the science…as say…long term temperature trends. The other stuff is constantly being debated in the literature and often changes. 
 

We’ll tolerate some tangential discussion in here when it’s somewhat relevant to the discussion but there’s a climate change forum if people want to post there. 

[Torch Tiger]

8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Snow is needed badly.

if 5F driven by 50kt gusts ya'll would be happy too.  It's more than snow 

[brooklynwx99]

31 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

We might still get a storm prior to January. There’s some signal on both GFS and Euro suites of something around 12/31. And yes, the pattern looks solid beyond that. 

i would pay money for this to verify. luckily, the better pattern has moved forward in time. doesn’t seem like a head fake

[BrianW]

Looking forward for my first 20s of the season...

Lows are expected to be in the low-20s/upper teens for most. The NYC metro will be be drop into the upper-20s while far interior areas may see mid-teens. These temperatures are only a few degrees to 5 degrees below normal, but still some of the coldest we have seen thus far this season.

 

[CT Rain]

2 minutes ago, BrianW said:

Looking forward for my first 20s of the season...

Lows are expected to be in the low-20s/upper teens for most. The NYC metro will be be drop into the upper-20s while far interior areas may see mid-teens. These temperatures are only a few degrees to 5 degrees below normal, but still some of the coldest we have seen thus far this season.

 

You haven't been in the 20s yet?

[wx2fish]

Through yesterday MHTs avg Dec temp was 39.1F. Nov was 39.2F. Seasons in seasons 

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

There will be no shortage of moisture for sure but we may be sniffing gorilla glue, instead of pounding Scooter’s gorilla chest, if the qpf continues to fall in liquid form. 

[HIPPYVALLEY]

28 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Snow is needed badly.

We had that decent event in November here but yeah, the weenies grow anxious. 

[WinterWolf]

9 minutes ago, BrianW said:

Looking forward for my first 20s of the season...

Lows are expected to be in the low-20s/upper teens for most. The NYC metro will be be drop into the upper-20s while far interior areas may see mid-teens. These temperatures are only a few degrees to 5 degrees below normal, but still some of the coldest we have seen thus far this season.

 

Really? We’ve been in the 20’s more mornings than I can count this fall. I think 22 was my lowest so far.  You must have a blast furnace nearby lol.  Your area certainly isn’t representative of most of CT…you’re literally probably 10-15 degrees above most inland areas on your overnight lows. Very odd.