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It's interesting that both 18z HAFS TC models lose the vorticity somewhat over the next 24 hours. It then comes back on both and rapidly reorganizes from 36-48 hours, and shortly afterward, lifts NNE as a hurricane. I don't know if this is simulated proximity to the Rivera Maya coast or some other atmospheric influence occurring. But it is odd at the breakdown, then rapid ramp up on that TC blend in such a short period of time.

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BULLETIN
Tropical Depression Ten Advisory Number   2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL102023
1000 PM CDT Sat Aug 26 2023

...DEPRESSION EXPECTED TO BECOME A TROPICAL STORM ON SUNDAY...
...LIKELY TO BECOME A HURRICANE OVER THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO IN
A FEW DAYS...


SUMMARY OF 1000 PM CDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...21.1N 86.4W
ABOUT 55 MI...85 KM NE OF COZUMEL MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...SW OR 230 DEGREES AT 2 MPH...4 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1005 MB...29.68 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The government of Cuba has upgraded the Tropical Storm Watch for
Pinar del Rio to a Tropical Storm Warning.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Yucatan Peninsula from Tulum to Rio Lagartos, including Cozumel
* Pinar del Rio Cuba

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* Isle of Youth Cuba

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours.

A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are
possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours.

Interests in Florida should monitor the progress of this system.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1000 PM CDT (0300 UTC), the center of Tropical Depression Ten was
located near latitude 21.1 North, longitude 86.4 West.  The
depression is drifting toward the southwest near 2 mph (4 km/h) and 
is likely to meander near the Yucatan Channel through early Monday. 
A faster motion toward the north or north-northeast is expected on 
Monday, bringing the system over the eastern Gulf of Mexico.

Maximum sustained winds are near 35 mph (55 km/h) with higher gusts.
Additional strengthening is forecast during the next few days.  The 
depression is expected to become a tropical storm on Sunday and a 
hurricane by Tuesday.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1005 mb (29.68 inches).
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000
WTNT45 KNHC 270244
TCDAT5

Tropical Depression Ten Discussion Number   2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL102023
1000 PM CDT Sat Aug 26 2023

Images from the Mexico meteorological service's radar in Cancun show 
that the depression has a small but well-defined circulation with 
spiral banding extending no more than about 60 n mi from the center. 
 This feature is embedded within a larger circulation with scattered 
deep convection covering the northwestern Caribbean Sea, extreme 
southeastern Gulf of Mexico, and adjacent land areas.  The initial 
intensity is set to 30 kt based on the latest subjective Dvorak 
estimate from TAFB and objective numbers from UW-CIMSS.

The depression appears to be drifting toward the southwest with an 
initial motion of 230/2 kt, with low- to mid-level ridging located 
to its north and northwest.  The system is expected to continue 
meandering over the northwestern Caribbean Sea for the next 24-36 
hours.  After that time, a developing trough over the Gulf of Mexico 
and strengthening ridging over the western Atlantic is expected to 
begin lifting the system toward the north and north-northeast over 
the eastern Gulf of Mexico toward Florida, and then near the 
southeastern coast of the U.S.  The updated NHC track forecast lies 
on top of or very near the previous prediction and closely follows 
the TVCX and HCCA consensus aids.  

Assuming the depression's center does not move over the Yucatan 
Peninsula, very warm waters and low to moderate vertical shear 
should support gradual strengthening during the next few days.  The 
NHC intensity prediction is a little below the consensus aids during 
the first 36 hours of the forecast but then converges with those 
aids thereafter, showing the system reaching hurricane strength by 
60 hours.  The system is expected to remain a hurricane, and 
potentially continue strengthening, up until it reaches the Gulf 
coast of Florida on Wednesday.  Users are reminded to continue 
monitoring forecasts for any changes to the system's expected 
intensity as it approaches Florida.  Land interaction and increasing 
shear should lead to fast weakening after the system moves over 
land, but it could still produce tropical-storm-force winds near and 
offshore the southeastern coast of the U.S. even if the center is 
inland.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. Heavy rainfall from Tropical Depression Ten is expected across
the eastern Yucatan Peninsula and western Cuba. The heavy rainfall
may produce areas of flash and urban flooding, as well as
landslides, across western Cuba.  The depression is forecast to
become a tropical storm by Sunday, and tropical storm conditions are
expected over portions of the Yucatan Peninsula and extreme 
western Cuba where a Tropical Storm Warning is in effect.  Tropical 
storm conditions are possible on the Isle of Youth, where a Tropical 
Storm Watch is in effect.

2. The depression is forecast to strengthen during the next few days
and could become a hurricane over the eastern Gulf of Mexico,
bringing a potential of dangerous storm surge, heavy rainfall, and
strong winds to portions of the west coast of Florida and the
Florida Panhandle by the middle of next week.  Heavy rainfall is
also likely to spread into portions of the Southeast U.S. by mid to
late next week.  Although it is too soon to specify the exact
location and magnitude of these impacts, residents in these areas
should monitor updates to the forecast of this system and ensure
that they have their hurricane plan in place.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT  27/0300Z 21.1N  86.4W   30 KT  35 MPH
 12H  27/1200Z 20.9N  86.4W   35 KT  40 MPH
 24H  28/0000Z 20.9N  86.2W   40 KT  45 MPH
 36H  28/1200Z 21.6N  85.9W   45 KT  50 MPH
 48H  29/0000Z 23.1N  85.7W   55 KT  65 MPH
 60H  29/1200Z 25.0N  85.5W   65 KT  75 MPH
 72H  30/0000Z 27.5N  84.8W   70 KT  80 MPH
 96H  31/0000Z 32.7N  81.5W   45 KT  50 MPH...INLAND
120H  01/0000Z 35.2N  76.7W   35 KT  40 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Berg
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Something of note, this region doesn't get significant hurricane hits often at all (big bend area of FL). That being said, one of the last direct big hits was Hurricane Hermine which landfalled at 80 MPH as a slightly above averaged size storm. It produced a damaging 6-9 ft surge in that region and was locally quite destructive. It's likely we get >80 MPH at landfall if this were to landfall in the same region. Also may be the same size if not a little bigger than Hermine. That would be a much higher surge than what Hermine did in a very surge suspectable region. Also, this area is the most impoverished part of Florida. As a result, the building codes are some of the weakest in the state. Yes, this is a somewhat sparsely populated area compared to other places in FL, but its a much weaker area in general. So it's a bit of a concerning pick your poison scenario.

Social Determinants of Health Maps-Socioenvironmental: Poverty | cdc.gov

2020 FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, BUILDING, 7TH EDITION | ICC DIGITAL CODES

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Evening thoughts remain unchanged from yesterday.  The mean cyclonic center of the storm is sufficiently off the coast that I think steady deepening will occur over tomorrow as it meanders near the Yucatan. I can easily see a strong TS approaching hurricane status before it turns northward.

Once it turns north, you have an excellent setup for a major hurricane strike:  deep ULL to the west and high to the east, with a poleward jet developing on approach to the coast.  While the ingredients are not identical, there are several hurricanes with this type of setup that have deepened upon approach to the gulf coast / FL peninsula.  Still like my call of a major into the area just north of Tampa.

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6 minutes ago, Nibor said:

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A little hard to tell but it looks like circulation will come very close or over Cozumel. 

The thing here is that the circulation is small enough and the current convective intensity is low enough that if a large MCS were to fire to the east, either the current center would be pulled east toward it, or a new center could form.

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0Z UKMET: ~40 mile E shift at LF into NW FL Big Bend vs E Panhandle on 12Z run; once inland sharper turn to go offshore SC vs 12Z going over Augusta and then staying inland through SC into much of NC


   TROPICAL DEPRESSION 10L        ANALYSED POSITION : 21.0N  85.5W

     ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL102023

                        LEAD                 CENTRAL     MAXIMUM WIND
      VERIFYING TIME    TIME   POSITION   PRESSURE (MB)  SPEED (KNOTS)
      --------------    ----   --------   -------------  -------------
    0000UTC 27.08.2023    0  21.0N  85.5W     1004            25
    1200UTC 27.08.2023   12  20.3N  85.6W     1002            27
    0000UTC 28.08.2023   24  20.6N  85.3W      999            32
    1200UTC 28.08.2023   36  21.7N  85.5W      999            35
    0000UTC 29.08.2023   48  22.8N  85.5W     1000            38
    1200UTC 29.08.2023   60  24.5N  85.6W     1000            41
    0000UTC 30.08.2023   72  26.5N  85.3W      998            39
    1200UTC 30.08.2023   84  29.2N  84.1W      995            45
    0000UTC 31.08.2023   96  31.9N  81.8W      992            42
    1200UTC 31.08.2023  108  33.6N  77.7W      991            43
    0000UTC 01.09.2023  120  34.4N  73.4W      992            56
    1200UTC 01.09.2023  132  34.4N  69.0W      996            52
    0000UTC 02.09.2023  144  33.2N  65.7W     1000            45
    1200UTC 02.09.2023  156  33.6N  63.2W      999            43
    0000UTC 03.09.2023  168  33.5N  60.3W      997            48

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5 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Pressure down to 1001mb according to the NHC.

BULLETIN
Tropical Depression Ten Intermediate Advisory Number 2A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL102023
100 AM CDT Sun Aug 27 2023

...DEPRESSION BRINGING GUSTY WINDS TO NORTHEASTERN MEXICO...
...LIKELY TO BECOME A HURRICANE OVER THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO IN
A FEW DAYS...


SUMMARY OF 100 AM CDT...0600 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...20.7N 86.8W
ABOUT 15 MI...25 KM NNE OF COZUMEL MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...SW OR 230 DEGREES AT 5 MPH...7 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1001 MB...29.56 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Yucatan Peninsula from Tulum to Rio Lagartos, including Cozumel
* Pinar del Rio Cuba

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* Isle of Youth Cuba

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours.

A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are
possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours.

Interests in Florida should monitor the progress of this system.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 100 AM CDT (0600 UTC), the center of Tropical Depression Ten was 
located near latitude 20.7 North, longitude 86.8 West.  The 
depression is moving toward the southwest near 5 mph (7 km/h), and 
it is likely to meander near the Yucatan Channel through early 
Monday. A faster motion toward the north or north-northeast is 
expected later on Monday, bringing the system over the eastern 
Gulf of Mexico.

Maximum sustained winds remain near 35 mph (55 km/h) with higher
gusts. Additional strengthening is forecast during the next few
days.  The depression is expected to become a tropical storm later 
today and a hurricane by Tuesday.  

A Weatherflow station on Cozumel recently reported a sustained wind 
of 36 mph (57 km/h) and a wind gust of 48 mph (78 km/h).

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1001 mb (29.56 inches) 
based on surface observations from Cozumel and Playa del Carmen
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4 minutes ago, yoda said:

00z Euro into the Big Bend of FL... 987mb SLP around hr 90

prateptype_cat_ecmwf-imp.us_se.png

 

A little west of runs yesterday. Recon will be taking off around 6am and we’ll have a bunch of data going into the models so hopefully the end up with a high confidence forecast. 

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1 minute ago, WxWatcher007 said:

A little west of runs yesterday. Recon will be taking off around 6am and we’ll have a bunch of data going into the models so hopefully the end up with a high confidence forecast. 

At the very least, I am more interested on the data they collect out ahead of the system across the Gulf. Curious to know if the models are right concerning the non-existence of dry air and the observations yielding decreasing shear. 

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42 minutes ago, yoda said:

00z Euro into the Big Bend of FL... 987mb SLP around hr 90

prateptype_cat_ecmwf-imp.us_se.png

 

This is the strongest Euro yet as others were in low 990s at landfall and is very near the 0Z UKMET landfall point. This would be a big mess for the Big Bend wind-wise and especially storm surge-wise in this very vulnerable high poverty area as was discussed earlier ITT.

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Some of the models were right about the vorticity dropping southward and not doing too much, for now.  Cancun radar shows a bit of a misalignment.  The convection and mid level rotation appears a bit east of the surface center.  The surface center moved ssw for a while, but now appears to be getting pulled back east a bit toward the new convection.

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TD10's overall appearance was better 24 hours ago.  It is trying to get its act together southeast of Cozumel this morning.  The question is can it maintain the convection today and organize the core or will it fizzle during d-min like yesterday?

The first recon plane is headed in from the east, but it is still several hours away.

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There's a nice area of convection popping up over the center as it appears on radar. The center appears to be well to the southeast of Cozumel and I don't see any land interaction happening as models were thinking might happen. 

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There are clearly some negative forces affecting TD10.  Convection blew up this morning and tried to align the various levels together, but satellite and Cancun radar suggest an area of sinking air is pressing down from the north, which is eroding the convection and pushing it south of the weak surface circulation.  All of the deep moisture is south and well east of the center.  The global models must have seen this.

Edit:  The surface center has performed a bit of a loop overnight and this morning.  It passed southward over Cozumel, then continued southward for a while, but then turned east, passing under this morning's convection, and has now moved well out from under the convection and may be moving northeastward.

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Not really much to say this morning other than for reasons earlier described it looks like the well defined LLC we were all tracking yesterday and overnight is a fragile feature. Not really going to have thoughts on the models and system until recon has had a chance to fully sample the environment and examine the TD. 

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2 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Not sure if the llc is feeling the effects of the deeper convection to the east or what but it’s getting pulled that direction in a hurry on visible 

Looks like a rather disjointed mess attm.  Of note though is that it is solidly in the NW Caribbean.  If some sort of core can get together before it starts to lift north that will allow it to enter the southern GOM ready to go.  If it is still disjointed upon entering the southern GOM the odds of a major hit IMO go down.  If it enters the GOM as an intensifying more or less well developed system I'd be concerned!

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