bluewave Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 59 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yes, I have a very specific definition of hot month and hot year. 10 90+ degree highs in a month = hot month 30 90+ degree highs in a year = hot year We can use LGA for this calculation since NYC is obviously compromised It’s always going to be easier getting high 90° day counts further from the shore like we saw last summer. Data for January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2022Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Name Station Type Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 PHILADELPHIA FRANKLIN INSTITUTE COOP 50 Philadelphia Center City Area ThreadEx 50 PHILADELPHIA INTL AP WBAN 48 Philadelphia Area ThreadEx 48 NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA AIRPORT WBAN 43 HARRISBURG CAPITAL CITY AP WBAN 42 LANCASTER 2 NE FILT PLANT COOP 41 NORRISTOWN COOP 40 for January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2022Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Name Station Type Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 53 HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 49 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 49 Newark Area ThreadEx 49 CANOE BROOK COOP 47 SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 46 HARRISON COOP 44 NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 43 New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 43 FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 42 ESTELL MANOR COOP 41 INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, dWave said: That north wind brining the colder ocean temps back to the surface. Big difference from before. Thats fine lol. Northerly winds eventually give us dry heat too. Same with westerly winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, bluewave said: It’s always going to be easier getting high 90° day counts further from the shore like we saw last summer. Data for January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2022Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Name Station Type Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 PHILADELPHIA FRANKLIN INSTITUTE COOP 50 Philadelphia Center City Area ThreadEx 50 PHILADELPHIA INTL AP WBAN 48 Philadelphia Area ThreadEx 48 NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA AIRPORT WBAN 43 HARRISBURG CAPITAL CITY AP WBAN 42 LANCASTER 2 NE FILT PLANT COOP 41 NORRISTOWN COOP 40 for January 1, 2022 through December 31, 2022Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Name Station Type Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 53 HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 49 NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 49 Newark Area ThreadEx 49 CANOE BROOK COOP 47 SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 46 HARRISON COOP 44 NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 43 New Brunswick Area ThreadEx 43 FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 42 ESTELL MANOR COOP 41 INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 40 The disparity has gotten worse over the last few decades though. Is there a way to compare the years through the 90s vs what has happened since? It seems like the disparity between inland vs coastal 90 degree days has increased markedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: The disparity has gotten worse over the last few decades though. Is there a way to compare the years through the 90s vs what has happened since? It seems like the disparity between inland vs coastal 90 degree days has increased markedly Probably due to the higher pressure east of New England turning the flow more onshore since 2015. Newark has had 3 top 5 years for 90s since then. JFK hasn’t had any top 5 years since then. JFK needs westerly flow for a high number of 90° days. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 Missing Count 1 2010 54 0 2 2022 49 0 - 1993 49 0 3 1988 43 0 4 2021 41 0 - 2002 41 0 - 1991 41 0 5 2016 40 0 - 1983 40 0 - 1959 40 0 Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 Missing Count 1 2010 32 0 2 1983 26 0 3 2002 21 0 4 1971 18 0 - 1949 18 0 5 2005 17 0 - 1991 17 0 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Under bright sunshine, readings topped out in the upper 70s and lower 80s today. Fair and pleasant days coupled with low humidity will continue through at least midweek. No significant hot weather appears likely through the first week of August. The extreme heat event that has gripped the Southwest for four weeks is concluding. Phoenix reached 110° for the 31st consecutive day a short time ago, but will likely stay below 110° tomorrow through Tuesday. However, the respite appears likely to be short-lived. As has often occurred in areas witnessing prolonged sieges of heat in recent years, extreme heat will likely rebuild later in the week. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +3.5°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.1°C for the week centered around July 19. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +3.12°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +1.00°C. El Niño conditions have developed and will likely continue to strengthen through at least the summer. The probability of an East-based El Niño event has increased. The SOI was +8.86 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +0.120 today. On July 28 the MJO was in Phase 8 at an amplitude of 0.304 (RMM). The July 27-adjusted amplitude was 0.374 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied near 100% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal July (1991-2020 normal). July will likely finish with a mean temperature near 79.0° (1.5° above normal). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violentweatherfan Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 6 hours ago, forkyfork said: this weather is dreadful. thankfully it won't last too long I hope so too, want some heat and humidity to return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Incredible day. Lots of storm damage in Suffolk yesterday. Severe delivered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 6 hours ago, bluewave said: Yeah, their average minimum was around +3 warmer this month than the next warmest low temperature July set back in 2020. Time Series Summary for Caribou Area, ME (ThreadEx) - Month of JulClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Min Temperature Missing Count 1 2023 63.1 2 2 2020 59.9 0 3 1947 59.5 0 4 2018 59.4 0 5 2010 59.2 0 These 1991-2020 normals aren't doing us any favors in showing the reality of climate change. I see so many comments here and on X implying it hasn't been a hot summer. Here is an example: Here is an example from the NWS, providing "perspective" on the heat: The implication of maps like these is that it's been a fairly normal summer with warm anomalies and cool anomalies roughly evening out. The reality is the map posted in the thread I linked to above shows a departure for June and July of +0.45F above the 1991-2020 mean. Obviously, these are unofficial values. If NCEI has the same departure, this would be the 20th warmest June & July period on record (out of 129 years). If we exclude 21st century data, and limit this to the 1895-2000 period (106 years), there are only seven hotter years - 1936, 1934, 1933, 1931, 1988, 1921, and 1952. So four dust bowl years, one of the worst droughts on record, and a couple of notoriously hot summers (including one during the 1950s drought period). We're running hotter nationally than notoriously hot years like 1995, 1991, 1999, 1983, 1953, 1954, etc... Heat was a front page item in these years. Why do people think there's too much coverage of the heat? Make no mistake about it, before the advent of widespread artificial cooling, there would be thousands of deaths in years like this. If the NWS outlook for August verifies (which is showing warmer than average temperatures across probably 80% of the CONUS), I think we will be looking at a top 10, or certainly top 15, hottest summer on record nationally. Might even be top 5 if you exclude years in the 21st century. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: These 1991-2020 normals aren't doing us any favors in showing the reality of climate change. I see so many comments here and on X implying it hasn't been a hot summer. Here is an example: Here is an example from the NWS, providing "perspective" on the heat: The implication of maps like these is that it's been a fairly normal summer with warm anomalies and cool anomalies roughly evening out. The reality is the map posted in the thread I linked to above shows a departure for June and July of +0.45F above the 1991-2020 mean. Obviously, these are unofficial values. If NCEI has the same departure, this would be the 20th warmest June & July period on record (out of 129 years). If we exclude 21st century data, and limit this to the 1895-2000 period (106 years), there are only seven hotter years - 1936, 1934, 1933, 1931, 1988, 1921, and 1952. So four dust bowl years, one of the worst droughts on record, and a couple of notoriously hot summers (including one during the 1950s drought period). We're running hotter nationally than notoriously hot years like 1995, 1991, 1999, 1983, 1953, 1954, etc... Heat was a front page item in these years. Why do people think there's too much coverage of the heat? Make no mistake about it, before the advent of widespread artificial cooling, there would be thousands of deaths in years like this. If the NWS outlook for August verifies (which is showing warmer than average temperatures across probably 80% of the CONUS), I think we will be looking at a top 10, or certainly top 15, hottest summer on record nationally. Might even be top 5 if you exclude years in the 21st century. you use to have hundreds of deaths in the south every summer before ac became widespread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 as we head into august i can see the light at the end of the tunnel summer is waning... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: These 1991-2020 normals aren't doing us any favors in showing the reality of climate change. I see so many comments here and on X implying it hasn't been a hot summer. Here is an example: It hasn’t been hot across a large portion of the mid US. But there has been record heat along the edges from Maine to Arizona and Florida. The individual rankings tell a more complete story since the 1991-2020 climate normals are so warm compared to previous 30 year intervals. Many places can approach top 10 warmth these days by just going +2 against these warmer normals. I guess the U.S is getting off relative easy this month compared to the rest of the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 To add from Ryan Maue met summer to date: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 The July average minimum temperatures have the highest rankings around the edges with a cool spot in the middle. https://sercc.oasis.unc.edu/Map.php?date=2023-07-20&var=avgt&thresh=climper&period=MTD&map_display=rank&showthrdx=true®ion=conus# 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I would say summer in my area has not been bad. Yes July has been warm but June was comfortable. August will tell the tale. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, lee59 said: I would say summer in my area has not been bad. Yes July has been warm but June was comfortable. August will tell the tale. We could have used that June Hudson Bay block during January or February. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, bluewave said: The July average minimum temperatures have the highest rankings around the edges with a cool spot in the middle. https://sercc.oasis.unc.edu/Map.php?date=2023-07-20&var=avgt&thresh=climper&period=MTD&map_display=rank&showthrdx=true®ion=conus# Yes, low temperatures have been absolutely scorching in many places. Everybody likes to focus on the high temperatures, but to me the humidity and excessively warm low temperatures are worse than extreme high temperatures and lower humidity. The focus is always on temperature, but if dew points and temperatures are both climbing - which appears to be the case - then apparent temperatures are probably climbing at a rate two or three times faster. It used to cool off into the 50s regularly where I am from, and now it seldom drops below 60. There used to be July evenings where a hoodie would be appropriate because it was already in the low 60s by 9 or 10 pm, with morning lows in the 40s. Obviously the exception, not the rule. But those days simply do not happen anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 The rankings themselves are kind of misleading, because there are a lot of places on there in 5th, 6th position, but all of the higher years are just within the past 10 years. Just 15 years ago, many of those red areas would probably be maroon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: The rankings themselves are kind of misleading, because there are a lot of places on there in 5th, 6th position, but all of the higher years are just within the past 10 years. Just 15 years ago, many of those red areas would probably be maroon. Another thing with rankings (and I don't know how it plays out with these rankings) if a month has, for example, the fifth highest temperature, it could still be out of the top ten warmest months if, for example, 6 months were tied for a higher number turning the 5th highest temperature into the 11 highest month. Having said that, there is no doubt in my mind we see far more above normal months rather than below normal months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Ranking tables normally account for ties and the case mentioned would be 11th warmest, after five tied at 6th warmest. It would not or at least should not be ranked seventh warmest. Some tables including CET differentiate by second decimals not visible in the table. The apparently tied months are marginally separated by these unprinted second decimals. In some ranking tables, it is up to you to establish ties, the table may be printed without ties identified. Most commonly, that kind of table will have the tied years listed in chronological order. But with everyone tweeting their own versions of climate stats, it is wise to find out whether they respect conventional ranking protocols or not. Also a top ten from a record of thirty years is obviously a bit easier to establish than a top ten from 155 years like NYC or 183 like Toronto. Another source of minor confusion in at least one prominent set of ranks (CET) is the practice of leaving the warmest rank blank until it happens, for example, this is what you see if you click on monthly ranks for CET ... at the bottom of the rankings where they place the warmest months, you find 1st (ranks on right, the ranks on left are in the sense of coldest of 355 in their records) blank for July to December ... further up the table you need to remember that what appears to be 40th warmest August is actually 39th warmest August. (EXCERPT of CET monthly rankings) 355 6.5 1686 6.9 1961 8.0 2022 10.2 1796 13.5 1868 16.4 1818 18.4 1808 18.0 1990 15.6 1780 12.5 1968 8.9 1881 7.3 1857 10.6 1990 11 356 6.6 1898 6.9 2019 8.1 1734 10.2 1944 13.5 1919 16.6 1775 18.4 2013 18.1 1955 15.6 1999 12.6 1959 9.1 1817 7.3 1988 10.6 1999 10 357 6.7 2008 6.9 2022 8.2 1750 10.3 1987 13.5 1947 16.8 1858 18.5 1995 18.2 1911 15.7 1760 12.7 1831 9.2 2022 7.4 1843 10.6 2017 9 358 6.7 1983 7.0 2002 8.2 1961 10.3 1893 13.5 1784 16.9 1798 18.5 1921 18.3 1747 16.0 1795 12.7 1995 9.2 1730 7.4 1828 10.6 1949 8 359 6.8 1975 7.1 1903 8.3 1990 10.3 2014 13.6 1992 16.9 1976 18.6 1976 18.3 2003 16.0 2021 12.8 1921 9.3 1743 7.5 1710 10.7 2018 7 360 6.9 1733 7.1 1945 8.3 1948 10.3 1798 13.6 1727 16.9 1762 18.7 1852 18.6 1947 16.1 2016 12.8 2022 9.4 1938 7.6 1733 10.7 2011 6 361 7.0 2007 7.2 1794 8.4 2012 10.5 1943 13.7 1808 17.0 2023 18.8 1783 18.6 1975 16.3 1949 12.9 2006 9.4 2015 7.7 1852 10.8 2020 5 362 7.1 1834 7.2 1998 8.4 1997 10.5 2020 13.8 1788 17.1 1822 19.2 2018 18.7 2022 16.3 1865 13.0 2005 9.5 1818 7.9 1974 10.9 2006 4 363 7.3 1796 7.3 1990 8.8 2017 10.6 1865 13.8 1758 17.3 1826 19.4 1983 19.0 1997 16.6 1729 13.1 1969 9.5 2011 8.1 1934 11.0 2014 3 364 7.3 1921 7.5 1869 9.1 1938 11.3 2007 13.9 1848 18.0 1676 19.8 2006 19.1 1995 16.9 2006 13.2 2001 9.9 1994 9.6 2015 11.1 2022 2 365 7.6 1916 7.9 1779 9.2 1957 11.9 2011 15.1 1833 18.2 1846 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 --- 2023 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 7/30 EWR: 83 ACY: 82 BLM: 81 New Brnswck: 81 TEB: 81 JFK: 81 PHL: 81 LGA: 80 NYC: 80 TTN: 79 ISP: 78 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, lee59 said: I would say summer in my area has not been bad. Yes July has been warm but June was comfortable. August will tell the tale. Yeah we didn't use the AC once in June, which I'm not sure has happened before. Pretty crazy how today feels though. Not only low dews, but 50's tonight. You could convince me it was the first week of September if the calendar still didn't say July. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 5 hours ago, bluewave said: Probably due to the higher pressure east of New England turning the flow more onshore since 2015. Newark has had 3 top 5 years for 90s since then. JFK hasn’t had any top 5 years since then. JFK needs westerly flow for a high number of 90° days. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 Missing Count 1 2010 54 0 2 2022 49 0 - 1993 49 0 3 1988 43 0 4 2021 41 0 - 2002 41 0 - 1991 41 0 5 2016 40 0 - 1983 40 0 - 1959 40 0 That 2022 tally should be 50. Believe youre missing the 90 in Sep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Will - Rutgers said: just so glad this weather has returned without all the smoke it came with last time I hope it stays that way. So nice seeing deep blue skies again and the mountains in the distance aren't hazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 62 already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkviking Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 In Smithtown I had a low of 56°. It has to be years since it was this cool in midsummer around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 The last day of July is averaging 77degs.(69/86) or Normal. Month to date is 79.2[+1.7]. July should end at 79.1[+1.5]. Reached 85 here yesterday at 7pm. Today: 81-85, wind w., few clouds, 69 tomorrow AM. 69*(60%RH) here at 7am. 71* at 8am. 75* at Noon. 77* at 1pm. Reached 80* at 2pm. 77* at 6pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 We hit 57F in Somerset. More 50s likely next couple days. Maybe some mid-low 50s too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 degree's a crystal clear morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestHillWx Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 here, progged for 53 tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 58 here for overnite low. Topped out at 75F yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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