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Summer 2020 Banter and random observations

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43 minutes ago, losetoa6 said:

Just curious.  What are schools doing up there in the fall with such good metrics ?

No plans set in concrete yet. School openings have all been pushed back until September 8th as plans get finalized. My son will be a junior in high school and I suspect it will be something like in person 2 days a week and online the other 3. 

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Having schools open though is certainly the best option for the economy and workforce.  Schools fill that very important child care function.

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16 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Trust me, the remote teaching is shitloads harder (and less effective) than in person.  The new protocols are pretty much impossible to follow (CDC says 6 feet apart, DESE says 3 feet is ok, neither is physically possible in most buildings).  Plexiglass isn’t being installed ($$$), no HVAC upgrades in most places, PPE will be minimal.     I really don’t think that most people care about the safety of teachers, or supermarket employees, or wait staff etc. The biggest concern voiced on the live stream by parents wasn’t the education of the kids, but how can they work?  A valid concern but that is not the purpose of schools.  I get it.  I really do.  The three proposals almost every district has suck in different ways.  

 

2 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

All the teachers I know have said it has been the hardest working period of their career going from home at the end of last year.  April/May/part of June sounded like long hours of work from home to make it happen.  Scheduling kids for video calls even at like 7-8pm.  I think every single teacher would prefer to be in the classroom but kids are germ factories, school ventilation is nil, and there's no way to socially distant (you are in close quarters with strangers for hours and hours).

I guess it depends, because there are certainly teachers mailing it in on the remote learning who are doing significantly less than normal.

Not sure where I saw it, but I saw the teachers union had to warn teachers not to lie about their health issues on a return to work survey just because they didn’t want to go back to in person learning. This was in a south shore town, Newton maybe?

I guess if you are committed to the kids and true professional, it probably is harder.

Guess I’m just a pessimist.

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2 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Having schools open though is certainly the best option for the economy and workforce.  Schools fill that very important child care function.

Yup.... and guess who this will negatively impact the most if kids can’t go back in person? Minorities and lower income families. 
 

Most working class families can’t afford to hire someone to watch their child 5 days a week for 6+ hours that school would normally take care of.

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3 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

 

I guess it depends, because there are certainly teachers mailing it in on the remote learning who are doing significantly less than normal.

Not sure where I saw it, but I saw the teachers union had to warn teachers not to lie about their health issues on a return to work survey just because they didn’t want to go back to in person learning. This was in a south shore town, Newton maybe?

I guess if you are committed to the kids and true professional, it probably is harder.

Guess I’m just a pessimist.

Practicing for winter. 

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10 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

 

I guess it depends, because there are certainly teachers mailing it in on the remote learning who are doing significantly less than normal.

Not sure where I saw it, but I saw the teachers union had to warn teachers not to lie about their health issues on a return to work survey just because they didn’t want to go back to in person learning. This was in a south shore town, Newton maybe?

I guess if you are committed to the kids and true professional, it probably is harder.

Guess I’m just a pessimist.

Hopefully the return to in person learning in some districts (and some are choosing full time...) doesn’t lead to siggy increases in cases etc.  jury is still out.  That will screech everything to a halt.   
I’m personally hoping I can at least work in my classroom. My setup at home (boonies) is less than ideal. Our son will be doing his university classes from our home. Possibly wife and daughter. Our bandwidth is not good

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10 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

Yup.... and guess who this will negatively impact the most if kids can’t go back in person? Minorities and lower income families.

Most working class families can’t afford to hire someone to watch their child 5 days a week for 6+ hours that school would normally take care of.

Very legit concern and likelihood.  My opinion means absolutely nothing seeing as 1) I'm not a teacher and 2) I don't have kids, so I try to just listen to those that do have a horse in the race.

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18 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Hopefully the return to in person learning in some districts (and some are choosing full time...) doesn’t lead to siggy increases in cases etc.  jury is still out.  That will screech everything to a halt.   
I’m personally hoping I can at least work in my classroom. My setup at home (boonies) is less than ideal. Our son will be doing his university classes from our home. Possibly wife and daughter. Our bandwidth is not good

Imagine having 4 kids each with a need to remote. I don't know about other schools but I have listened to my daughter and her kids complain incessantly about how badly the remote stuff is and how the teachers are mailing it in. Sad times

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Just now, Ginx snewx said:

Imagine having 4 kids each with a need to remote. I don't know about other schools but I have listened to my daughter and her kids complain incessantly about how badly the remote stuff is and how the teachers are mailing it in. Sad times

Did she ever contact the teachers?  I know I felt handcuffed due to the inequities of things like technology   Some kids could not participate fully so it was impossible to engage like we would face to face. My hope is that at least those obstacles will be gone.  We also couldn’t grade things like normal so that disincentivized some kids.  
For young kids it really sucked.  High school kids did better.    
At one point I think you said you wouldn’t spend time in the casino due to air quality.  Would you spend time there now?  

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8 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Did she ever contact the teachers?  I know I felt handcuffed due to the inequities of things like technology   Some kids could not participate fully so it was impossible to engage like we would face to face. My hope is that at least those obstacles will be gone.  We also couldn’t grade things like normal so that disincentivized some kids.  
For young kids it really sucked.  High school kids did better.    
At one point I think you said you wouldn’t spend time in the casino due to air quality.  Would you spend time there now?  

? If it were all kids and a limited number of Adults and I had to weigh the entirety of risks physically , socially and economically to all including the parents using distancing and masking , yes. Is it ideal no. But its never been ideal for any essential workers. 

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3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

? If it were all kids and a limited number of Adults and I had to weigh the entirety of risks physically , socially and economically to all including the parents using distancing and masking , yes. Is it ideal no. But its never been ideal for any essential workers. 

What if distancing wasn’t possible? I respect your opinion on here. Schools have much worse ventilation than a modern casino I would think 


As I mentioned if it were up to me I would be in my class with half the kids on any given day.  Either alternate weeks or days.  Again not ideal    Not sure how the remote part works for kids when they are at home. 

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Just now, HoarfrostHubb said:

What if distancing wasn’t possible? I respect your opinion on here. Schools have much worse ventilation than a modern casino I would think 


As I mentioned if it were up to me I would be in my class with half the kids on any given day.  Either alternate weeks or days.  Again not ideal    Not sure how the remote part works for kids when they are at home. 

At least part time would be a compromise. Just shutting it all down is not good.  I heard the casinos put in uv in all HVAC and retrofitted to 100% outside air exchange.  Huge outlay of money I would assume . As far as modern goes those are 20 plus year old systems.  There haven't been any outbreaks traced back cept for a couple of employees here and there but no superspreaders. As long as your county has minimal spread I see zero reason why your solution isn't a viable option. 

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4 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

At least part time would be a compromise. Just shutting it all down is not good.  I heard the casinos put in uv in all HVAC and retrofitted to 100% outside air exchange.  Huge outlay of money I would assume . As far as modern goes those are 20 plus year old systems.  There haven't been any outbreaks traced back cept for a couple of employees here and there but no superspreaders. As long as your county has minimal spread I see zero reason why your solution isn't a viable option. 

Apparently this will hopefully only be the first term.  Then they revisit. My building is the newest in the city and is 17 years old.  Awful ventilation in many areas. 
 

not ideal. How do you think Tuesday is looking for beaching?

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1 minute ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Apparently this will hopefully only be the first term.  Then they revisit. 
 

not ideal. How do you think Tuesday is looking for beaching?

David what will change?

Have no clue depends on Izzy, but cowabunga

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42 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

Imagine having 4 kids each with a need to remote. I don't know about other schools but I have listened to my daughter and her kids complain incessantly about how badly the remote stuff is and how the teachers are mailing it in. Sad times

Yikes. This is as bad as your COVID takes. 

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1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

David what will change?

Have no clue depends on Izzy, but cowabunga

If spiking is happening continue remote?  If not ???   I have no clue.  I just row the oars. I don’t steer the ship. I feel bad for the kids, their parents.  Everyone.    

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6 hours ago, dryslot said:

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Hold on... Hold the fook on.....

 

95 hasn't been 495 in 15+ years.  Is this a wunderground/mapquest overlay from 2002?!!

 

Also, Suckerville?  Is that aka the Lava Rock 'hood, cuz, ya know...

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9 hours ago, tunafish said:

Hold on... Hold the fook on.....

 

95 hasn't been 495 in 15+ years.  Is this a wunderground/mapquest overlay from 2002?!!

 

Also, Suckerville?  Is that aka the Lava Rock 'hood, cuz, ya know...

I thought that 495 was just the connector between 295 and 95 north of PWM.

And "Suckerville" probably (hopefully :lol:) refers to fish - sucker-gigging used to be a rite of spring, not so much nowadays.

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11 hours ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

Yup.... and guess who this will negatively impact the most if kids can’t go back in person? Minorities and lower income families. 
 

Most working class families can’t afford to hire someone to watch their child 5 days a week for 6+ hours that school would normally take care of.

Interestingly enough, these populations have consistently been against F2F school in the fall. Maybe because of their already higher risk and not wanting to increase it?  Most lower income people know someone who had a bad covid outcome.

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10 hours ago, CT Rain said:

Yikes. This is as bad as your COVID takes. 

Emphatically agree. My mother is a teacher and has never worked harder to make remote learning engaging. She put in the longest hours of her 35 year career over the spring. Frankly, I think a lot of teachers are going to burn out this year. Many are putting in a lot of time over the summer to plan and prepare for the possibility of shutdowns this fall/winter.

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I haven’t heard of any teacher mailing it in in my town. In fact, I’ve heard and spoken to elementary school teachers and I get the complete opposite vibe...working more, doing more for the kids, etc. Glad we live here.

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12 hours ago, CT Rain said:

Yikes. This is as bad as your COVID takes. 

Their teachers dude. Should I have my daughter call you. Its not a GD take. How have your kids experience been?

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1 hour ago, Hoth said:

Emphatically agree. My mother is a teacher and has never worked harder to make remote learning engaging. She put in the longest hours of her 35 year career over the spring. Frankly, I think a lot of teachers are going to burn out this year. Many are putting in a lot of time over the summer to plan and prepare for the possibility of shutdowns this fall/winter.

I am not shocked the majority of teachers are,my grandaughters have had the opposite experience. 

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26 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

I haven’t heard of any teacher mailing it in in my town. In fact, I’ve heard and spoken to elementary school teachers and I get the complete opposite vibe...working more, doing more for the kids, etc. Glad we live here.

My granddaughters high school was extremely bad in their remote stuff and teachers were not responsive. 

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44 minutes ago, dryslot said:

@powderfreak First one i thought of when i saw this...........:lol:

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LOL, that’s literally been on our minds a lot with the composting law going into effect.  Now that we have to get more serious about it we were looking into getting bins and all sorts of details on how to manage it most effectively, and with neighbors telling us about their bear sightings, it was sounding really complicated.  Then my wife spoke to one of her friends at work that essentially removed all the hassle.  Her friend’s method that has been working well for years is that she simply dumps her stuff back in the woods, tosses some leaves on it, and that’s it.  We picked a spot well away from the house though just in case of bear issues.

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4 minutes ago, J.Spin said:

LOL, that’s literally been on our minds a lot with the composting law going into effect.  Now that we have to get more serious about it we were looking into getting bins and all sorts of details on how to manage it most effectively, and with neighbors telling us about their bear sightings, it was sounding really complicated.  Then my wife spoke to one of her friends at work that essentially removed all the hassle.  Her friend’s method that has been working well for years is that she simply dumps her stuff back in the woods, tosses some leaves on it, and that’s it.  We picked a spot well away from the house though just in case of bear issues.

Lol.  If any fruit or vegetables start going bad, that's what I do too.  

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55 minutes ago, dryslot said:

@powderfreak First one i thought of when i saw this...........:lol:

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Ha yup, that's the compost inspection division alright.  Our guy destroyed our first attempt at it and the Fish & Game Warden said with the bears in Stowe (he said Stowe and Richmond were getting hit really bad by bears) that right now despite the law he said we should forgo any composting until we can get a true secure way for it not to be feed for them.

Every day you drive around here there are dumpsters emptied with trash.  There are more bears than any other animal around here.  Just a day ago, a family was checking into a neighboring townhome air b'n'b and the father was like "At 2pm I was unloading the car and this bear just casually walked right down the sidewalk, past our SUV, within 10 feet of me holding luggage, and he went straight over to the dumpster and hopped in."  I was like oh yeah, that's our daily visitor.  He circles our pool and stays outside the fence grazing on berries while people are swimming.  He thinks he's supposed to live with us or something.

I now put a couple empty trash bins to make a barrier to get onto our porch, so if he tries it again it'll make a sh*tload of noise that will trigger our dog alarm system.

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Dumpsters... gotta lock that sh*t down or these bears will get in.  Matterhorn Bar have screws sticking up to stop the bears from walking on it, but evidently their pads on their feet are so tough they've still seen them walking on top of this with no problem. 

Their grease trap is chained to this concrete pillar that the bear was able actually break and multiple times they've found the grease traps down in the river.

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The dumpsters have those lock bars so you can't lift the top upward, but then they just jump on the top of it until it breaks and falls inward. 

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18 minutes ago, J.Spin said:

LOL, that’s literally been on our minds a lot with the composting law going into effect.  Now that we have to get more serious about it we were looking into getting bins and all sorts of details on how to manage it most effectively, and with neighbors telling us about their bear sightings, it was sounding really complicated.  Then my wife spoke to one of her friends at work that essentially removed all the hassle.  Her friend’s method that has been working well for years is that she simply dumps her stuff back in the woods, tosses some leaves on it, and that’s it.  We picked a spot well away from the house though just in case of bear issues.

Exactly what I do. Dump and then just throw some more dirt on top each time

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