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12z Euro remains essentially unchanged in the general synoptic handling of the event in question... If there are detail differences they are noise most likely as the governing players are not really instructing enough demonstrative differences over the last run to assume a different surface evolution. 

Looks like a very tall sleet column between the Pike and Rt 2 ...with a band of some bad icing in the southern some-odd band of that... I also caution that cold will always wedge farther south than even the most "enthusiastic" hotdog vision too ... So, "IF" the present appeal works out.... ( thank god for the rest of us !) Kevin likely loses power ...

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4 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

12z Euro remains essentially unchanged in the general synoptic handling of the event in question... If there are detail differences they are noise most likely as the governing players are not really instructing enough demonstrative differences over the last run to assume a different surface evolution. 

Looks like a very tall sleet column between the Pike and Rt 2 ...with a band of some bad icing in the southern some-odd band of that... I also caution that cold will always wedge farther south than even the most "enthusiastic" hotdog vision too ... So, "IF" the present appeal works out.... ( thank god for the rest of us !) Kevin likely loses power ...

Totally sitting here typing naked 

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1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Euro now has H7 closing near the ME coast NYE....should that trend 12 hours faster, which I don't think that it will, but...

700 is more important for chilling down the growth region of the ambient sounding.  I've seen it sleet from 8,000 feet before with a +4 wedge near Everest

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1 minute ago, Typhoon Tip said:

700 is more important for chilling down the growth region of the ambient sounding.  I've seen it sleet from 8,000 feet before with a +4 wedge near Everest

Yea, I wasn't trying to argue for a snowier evolution in posting that H85 morphology, but rather just calling attention to the subtle, yet notable trend.

We aren't there yet in terms of bigs snows, and are unlikely to get there.

Just to be clear-

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2 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

700 is more important for chilling down the growth region of the ambient sounding.  I've seen it sleet from 8,000 feet before with a +4 wedge near Everest

Did you mean Everett?  I’m having a hard time imagining a cold season +4 wedge at H3...

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Just now, Typhoon Tip said:

700 is more important for chilling down the growth region of the ambient sounding.  I've seen it sleet from 8,000 feet before with a +4 wedge near Everest

I was just going to post about that. I think many may verify okay at H85, but these highs nosing in generally don't advect well up to H7 unless the whole meat and potatoes moves in over N ME. Getting the secondary redevelopment sooner and backing the H7 flow before it warms up too much is the better way to do it. Shitty GFS thermals and all, but it's not even cold enough for nucleation up to H65 here at PWM while it's like -7F between H85-H9 and producing PL and pixie dust snow crystals in the low levels. It's still snow if you can seeder feed from higher up, but that gets a bit difficult to do when you start pushing the nucleation zone too high up. Even the DGZ there gets up to around H45-H5 at one point.

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