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November 2018 Discussions & Observations Thread


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53 minutes ago, doncat said:

Euro has temps around 20° for turkey :)morning and mainly teens Friday am.

Yeah, it has a top 5 coldest Thanksgiving for NYC. The Arctic front comes through around midnight with the daily high. Afternoon temperatures remain in the 20's. Northerly flow cold air drain down the Hudson Valley with no Great Lakes modification.

Thanksgiving Euro temperatures for NYC....lower in the surrounding areas

12am..........30

6 am...........20

12pm..........26

3pm............27

6pm............23

9pm............20

12 am Fri.....19

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25 minutes ago, jfklganyc said:

What are the winds like for the parade?

 

That set up is concerning for gusty NW winds, which could ground balloons for first time since the Cat and the Hat debacle in the 90s

From the aviation portion of OKX AFD this morning:

.Wednesday Night-Thursday...VFR. NW winds 15G25kt.

From the marine portion of the same AFD:

Winds and seas are forecast to remain below SCA levels through
Wednesday. An arctic front move across the waters Wednesday night
bringing SCA and low chance of gale conditions Wednesday night into
Thursday

 

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Coldest temperatures for November in NYC since 1950...2018 could make this list on Thanksgiving day...

16...11/29/1955

17...11/30/1976

18...11/21/1987

20...11/15/1967

21...11/21/1959

21...11/24/1970

21...11/23/1972

22...11/24/1956

22...11/14/1986

22...11/25/2005

22...11/19/2014

23...11/22/1989

23...11/28/1996

23...11/24/2000

23...11/22/2008

23...11/24/2013

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5 hours ago, bluewave said:

The Thanksgiving Arctic outbreak will get a boost from the 2nd highest mid-November NA snow extent of the last 13 years.

https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/smcd/emb/snow/HTML/snow_extent_plots.html

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Biggest and quickest snow and sea ice recovery ever going from late September to late November?  We had our latest sea ice minimum this year, around the first day of fall.

 

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3 hours ago, uncle W said:

Coldest temperatures for November in NYC since 1950...2018 could make this list on Thanksgiving day...

16...11/29/1955

17...11/30/1976

18...11/21/1987

20...11/15/1967

21...11/21/1959

21...11/24/1970

21...11/23/1972

22...11/24/1956

22...11/14/1986

22...11/25/2005

22...11/19/2014

23...11/22/1989

23...11/28/1996

23...11/24/2000

23...11/22/2008

23...11/24/2013

Coldest maximums since 1960 for November in NYC...

11/22...32 in 1964

11/22...32 in 1972

11/22...32 in 2008

11/23...31 in 1989

11/24...30 in 2013

11/28...31 in 1996

11/29...28 in 1955

11/30...28 in 1958

11/30...27 in 1976

 

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6 minutes ago, Dino said:

FV3-GFS is close to a One-Two-Punch scenario along mid-atlantic and northeast November 29th & Dec 2nd.  

That’s so far why not pay attention to Tuesday’s system. It could trend 30-50 miles south and at least you’ll have white rain, possibly more if it develops stronger.

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MOS numbers hinting at the potential first NYC drop below 20 degrees in November since 1987. 

NEW YORK CITY-CENTRAL PARK
 KNYC   NAM MOS GUIDANCE   11/19/2018  1200 UTC                      
 DT /NOV  19/NOV  20                /NOV  21                /NOV  22 
 HR   18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 21 00 03 06 09 12 15 18 21 00 06 12 
 N/X                    40          47          33          38    17 
 TMP  46 46 45 45 44 43 42 41 45 44 42 39 37 36 35 35 36 34 31 25 19 
 DPT  40 40 40 39 39 38 37 35 34 31 29 25 24 23 23 21 19 17 14  5 -2 

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2 hours ago, Brasiluvsnow said:

88 = real question for us uninformed,,,,,,what are Tellies ? Weeklies ? Are they the same thing ? Where can one find them ? thanks in advance

Let’s just ban that awul word. 

Hes talking about teleconnections. Tellies sounds like he’s talking about the telletubbies  

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Pattern looks quite locked and loaded by November 29/30. The only thing working against us is climo (averages are almost 50F). 

Also I wouldn't be surprised to see the systems next week trend south as the strong -NAO begins to exert its influence. Test Gfs strongly suggests that possibility.

However snow would still be unlikely due to a lack of cold air. 

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after this November the decade average temperature will drop and snowfall will go up...since the 1950's November is averaging 47.8 in NYC...2018 will be well below that...it is possible we could see the coldest Thanksgiving on record...the coldest was 19 in 1876 and another year...the 2010's will be the first decade to average at least an inch of snow since the 1930's...the average minimum should drop a degree to the 1960's average...

decade....Ave.t.....High.....low....ave.max/min...max...min...rainfall...snowfall...

1870's.....42.2.....45.5.....37.0.............................76.......7.....3.66".....0.9"

1880's.....43.2.....45.5.....38.7.....67.3.....21.2.....71.....13.....3.54".....1.8"

1890's.....45.1.....49.9.....41.5.....66.7.....24.1.....72.....14.....3.76".....3.3"

1900's.....45.7.....51.6.....39.7.....65.8.....26.6.....74.....19.....1.91".....0.3"

1910's.....45.0.....47.8.....41.6.....69.5.....26.7.....76.....19.....2.90".....0.2"

1920's.....45.6.....49.2.....43.9.....70.0.....24.1.....76.....12.....2.65".....0.1"

1930's.....46.2.....51.9.....41.8.....70.4.....21.4.....78.....12.....3.05".....2.2"

1940's.....47.5.....52.4.....44.2.....70.4.....27.5.....74.....23.....3.59".....0.6"

1950's.....47.1.....49.7.....43.5.....70.5.....24.5.....84.....16.....3.80".....0.5"

1960's.....47.3.....50.4.....42.5.....69.9.....28.7.....78.....20.....3.73".....0.3"

1970's.....47.6.....52.5.....41.7.....71.5.....25.7.....81.....17.....4.91".....0.3"

1980's.....47.7.....50.4.....44.6.....72.4.....26.9.....79.....18.....4.97".....0.6"

1990's.....47.6.....52.0.....43.0.....72.0.....27.7.....80.....23.....3.41".....0.3"

2000's.....48.6.....52.7.....45.3.....70.0.....28.0.....79.....22.....3.77".....trace

2010's.....47.9.....51.9.....43.9.....70.1.....29.5.....74.....22.....2.96".....0.7".....2010-2017

1870-

2009........46.2...........................69.7.....25.6........................3.55".....0.8"

1980-

2009........48.0...........................71.5.....27.5........................4.05".....0.3"

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