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I see what you are saying, but I dont look at it as a low pushing into high pressure, but rather the high pressure is moving and the low moves toward where the high was. This is not a strong high, and there is nothing to keep it in place so it slides. Also in this particular setup, we have that damn ridge off the SE coast which also helps keep the low on a more NW track. That was just as big a red flag for me as anything. It was always there, but its strength/position varied run to run, and of course the position and amplitude of the ridge in the west has influence on that.

Agree. HP wasn't as anchored as first thought. But seeing NYC having big mixing problems and even potentially sne mix is probably more a factor of the lp being stronger than first thought. 996 over central OH is impressive. That was never even a thought just a few days ago. If it was sub 1k the track would surely be further south. Still over or above us but areas from phl north would do much better.

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Agree. HP wasn't as anchored as first thought. But seeing NYC having big mixing problems and even potentially sne mix is probably more a factor of the lp being stronger than first thought. 996 over central OH is impressive. That was never even a thought just a few days ago. If it was sub 1k the track would surely be further south. Still over or above us but areas from phl north would do much better.

Yes the low is stronger than first modeled for sure. Having it stay relatively weak as you said would have given us a better shot.

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I've only been casually watching since I bailed yesterday morning but this is a pretty good lesson for all of us (not just our sub). We'll get another setup like this again might be years down the road or later this month but the lesson is a good one.

Where the slp forms is obviously very important. But also closely monitoring h5 height trends and strength of storm.

The run over run trend of increasing heights a little each run made it easy for me to bail. It wasn't coming back no matter what. A 1004 low or something similar would still be a decent hit from at least Philly north. This thing ended up so much stronger than first thought. No problem pushing right into hp to the north.

Can you give a crash course on how high/low heights affect the track of vorts?

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Yes the low is stronger than first modeled for sure. Having it stay relatively weak as you said would have given us a better shot.

If you think about it, everything that could have gone wrong inside of 4 days did go wrong. It's comical. Can't say that about the whole month though. The first clipper did quite well.

Even though losing the last two is a bit of a sting, this month has been more normal around here than abnormal all things considered.

As much as I track stuff, I don't really get that annoyed when things go wrong. When I bail I get over it quick and move on. There are only 2 storms that got to me since I joined eastern. Boxing day sucked bad but it was so early in the year that I knew more chances would happen. March 2013 was the granddaddy of them all. Chasing a nasty snow drought on the heels of back to back disasters....late in the year....last gasp....heavy snow when I went to bed....I was literally a little nauseous when it became clear that we're done. Ooph.

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996 over central OH is impressive. That was never even a thought just a few days ago.

 

The crazy thing is that it actually was.  Here's the 06z GFS from Wednesday:

 

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And here is the 18z from today.

 

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The big questions in my mind are what made the models jump south, and why have they been so slow to come back up to basically where they were earlier this week. 

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Can you give a crash course on how high/low heights affect the track of vorts?

I'd be glad to. On my phone. I'll put together a multi run gif animation tomorrow. The key is to look at height lines overhead and to the north and not just where the vort is digging. Every tick north with confluence is a hint that that things aren't going the right. Same goes in reverse when hoping suppression is relaxing.

Orientation is important too. Downhill means there's a wall. Uphill means there's a highway. Flat means the low can grind north but not easy or quick.

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If you think about it, everything that could have gone wrong inside of 4 days did go wrong. It's comical. Can't say that about the whole month though. The first clipper did quite well.

Even though losing the last two is a bit of a sting, this month has been more normal around here than abnormal all things considered.

As much as I track stuff, I don't really get that annoyed when things go wrong. When I bail I get over it quick and move on. There are only 2 storms that got to me since I joined eastern. Boxing day sucked bad but it was so early in the year that I knew more chances would happen. March 2013 was the granddaddy of them all. Chasing a nasty snow drought on the heels of back to back disasters....late in the year....last gasp....heavy snow when I went to bed....I was literally a little nauseous when it became clear that we're done. Ooph.

Good point about Jan. Its been cold. And snowfall prob isn't far from average most places. I have 5" for the month and I probably average 6 or something. Of course I got pretty much zilch in Dec so I was counting on a big January to make up for it ha.

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Frigid cold then rain then cold the slop then super cold then rain then cold then sleet slop then cold then more rain then real cold.

Wash thoroughly rinse and repeat.

It's old.

Can we have a week of mild weather please?

It would sum up this region well if we had a torch day of 75 degrees and sunny, followed by 24" of snow.

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Too bad Weatherbug radar = weenie radar. We would be snowing any sec. Suffering...

 

It will always overdo light precip areas, just like any other composite radar. Composite radars love showing low clouds/virga as light precip. Never use composite radar if you're trying to pinpoint precip onset... use the local 88D.

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