bkviking Posted yesterday at 01:55 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:55 PM Cranky on X sniffing out more storminess Sat-Tues. Anyone seeing that? He sniffed out this storm weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcmmKU Posted yesterday at 01:55 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:55 PM 9 hours ago, TriPol said: I keep seeing people talk about the 2015 - 2016 record El Nino and how the winter of 2015 - 2016 was so horrible. I sure as heck don't remember anyone complaining about the 27.5 inches of snow Central Park got in one storm. It was bad for ski country. Terrible actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcmmKU Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM 9 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: The warm start to October continues to follow the theme of warmest anomalies to start each month since the summer. It does look more muted now than I initially thought. More like a couple days in the mid to upper 70s. For reference central park's mean absolute maximum for October is around 79. So unseasonably warm but it happens every year. There could be a return to heat mid month however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted yesterday at 02:57 PM Share Posted yesterday at 02:57 PM 11 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Yes the night they dropped to 39 was on my birthday =/ I'm still upset with that although it did warm up into the 70s here that day with clear blue skies and I saw two bald eagles that day. My low was 39.6. Some interesting years in that list. Both 1933 and 2002 are on the highest minimums list but both had historic winters. Meanwhile our TV mets keep insisting that the only months above normal this year were March and April. March through September has been a pretty warm stretch for your area also. Only May was slightly cooler in your area. It was the 5th warmest March 1st through September 26th there since the new airport site opened in late 1999. So it makes it harder to compare to the older days before 2000 with so many data gaps. Station Thread for Mount Pocono Area, PANamePeriod in Thread1Pocono Mountains Municipal Airport10/01/1999 to 12/31/20252Tonyhanna Pocono Mountain Airport12/01/1961 to 09/30/19993Mt. Pocono09/12/1901 to 11/30/1961 Time Series Summary for POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, PA Warmest March 1st through September 26th since 2000 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 1 2010-09-26 59.4 0 2 2012-09-26 59.1 0 3 2011-09-26 57.8 0 4 2024-09-26 57.7 0 5 2026-09-26 57.5 0 6 2025-09-26 57.4 0 7 2016-09-26 57.2 0 8 2021-09-26 56.9 0 - 2002-09-26 56.9 0 10 2022-09-26 56.8 0 - 2015-09-26 56.8 0 Mar…+5.5 Apr….+3.8 May….-0.4 Jun….+1.5 Jul…..+0.9 Aug…+0.7 Sep…..+1.7 On September 29, 1999, a major weather observation shift occurred in the Pocono Mountains when the Pocono Mountains Municipal Airport (KMPO) in Mount Pocono officially began automated reporting. [1] This marked the transition of the region's primary Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reporting site to a modern, standardized system. Prior to late 1999, data was predominantly recorded via manual, local cooperative observers or different measurement techniques, which occasionally led to minor visual bias reporting errors on scaling instruments. [1, 2] Impact of the 1999 Shift Standardized Automation: The introduction of the KMPO automated station allowed the National Weather Service to stream consistent, real-time meteorological observations. Climate Baseline: This shift established the digital baseline used to create the region's ongoing historical record and formal climate summaries. [1, 2, 3] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted yesterday at 03:01 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:01 PM LP Center moving into and through Belmar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bluewave Posted yesterday at 03:24 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:24 PM 24 minutes ago, SACRUS said: LP Center moving into and through Belmar Really unusual track for September. Most early season coastal storms or tropical systems track N to NE up or just off the coast. Can’t remember a September system coming in from the east into NJ before. Goes to show how strong the 500 mb ridging pattern has been associated with the record 600dm ridge a few weeks back and strong ridging since March. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriPol Posted yesterday at 04:17 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:17 PM 52 minutes ago, bluewave said: Really unusual track for September. Most early season coastal storms or tropical systems track N to NE up or just off the coast. Can’t remember a September system coming in from the east into NJ before. Goes to show how strong the 500 mb ridging pattern has been associated with the record 600dm ridge a few weeks back and strong ridging since March. I think this would be an unusual track for any time of the year! I can't recall a storm since Sandy that went retrograde. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago this is going to be a wild winter in the northeaster during this el-nino.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago Through 7 pm, New York City has picked up a storm total 2.44" of rain. Periods of rain, some of which could still be heavy are likely tonight After some early showers, tomorrow will begin to dry out. The temperature will rise into the middle and upper 60s. Tuesday and Wednesday could see some sunshine along with warmer readings in the lower and middle 70s. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +4.6°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +3.0°C for the week centered around September 16. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +4.33°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +2.73°C. Both ENSO regions have tied their all-time warmest anomalies. The ongoing strong El Niño, will continue to strengthen through the mid-fall. The SOI was -14.44 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +0.051 today. Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied near 87% probability that New York City will have a cooler than normal September (1991-2020 normal). September will likely finish with a mean temperature near 68.6° (0.6° below normal). Supplemental Information: The projected mean would be 0.6° above the 1981-2010 normal monthly value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago i am looking forward to a milder drier week for a change.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 5 hours ago, the_other_guy said: Beach annihilated in Wading River. Nor Easters were/are always much worse than hurricanes in terms of beach erosion…and that played out over last few days It's long overstayed its welcome 14 hours ago, MANDA said: Lots of discussion over the last few days about how this storm should be classified. No shortage of opinions from several respected Mets. These two X posts make the most sense to me. It was shallow warm core and it did separate from fronts for a short time. No matter what it was not your typical cold season Nor-Easter and was not purely tropical. Hybrid or Sub-Tropical designation seems best way to go IMO. Naming storms just isn't an objective scientific process. We blame the weather channel for their silly naming scheme but the NHC can be criticized too. Plenty of storms in years like 2005 and 2020 that would not have been named in the 50s and 60s and prior years. I'm sure 1933 would have had a lot more. It's a lot like snowfall measuring. Oh and there was an intentionally not named hurricane during the Perfect Storm October 1991 and that December 1994 storm should have been named too. That one was far stronger than this one. I think Chris posted a video with Dr. Joe Sobel in it? 17 hours ago, Brian5671 said: would have turned to rain with the storm moving inland over NJ It would have been all rain at the coast just like December 1992 was but much less impact than that historic storm. 17 hours ago, Northof78 said: When the eye comes over you should get some pictures from inside the eyewall...clear with circular clouds surrounding and calm; please post em' if you can! Stadium effect? 16 hours ago, NEG NAO said: skies are brightening in Seaside Heights NJ not far from the center Seaside Heights Cam - North View earthcam.com/usa/newjersey/seasideheights/?cam=seasideheights2 -south view I wonder if it behaved like the eye of a hurricane? 15 hours ago, Big Jims Videos said: Posted a clip on my Facebook page. Sunshine was visible. Trees are down all over though from this mornings burst of wind. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1EMczqQcta/ Landfall location near Tom's River? 15 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: Yes just because it didn't seem bad where you were doesn't make it any less noteworthy. A retro nor'easter in late September that caused widespread coastal flooding is significant. Gusts of 70+ were recorded. 3"+ amounts will fall. This is definitely a significant and pretty rare event. Well now it's just tedious and boring. 15 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: Yes that too. Noreasters rarely last more than a day. This thing has long overstayed its welcome and become tedious and boring. I can't wait until humans control the weather and kick these things out. 15 hours ago, MANDA said: Event total rainfall here so far .99". Very windy overnight. Estimating gusts to 40 mph. Winds blew hard all night. Lots of leaves, twigs and small branches down in the yard. Numerous power outages in my immediate area. JCPL reporting close to 46,000 customers out across their service areas in NJ. Southeast New England and coastal Jersey have received the heaviest total rainfall. Forecasts for a high impact coastal storm worked out well. Still got rain here, sometimes heavy. 15 hours ago, MANDA said: Pretty cool radar evolution of this event from about 8pm last evening through current hour. Not your classic Nor-Easter look. https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=regional-eastcoast-comp_radar-200-1-100-1&checked=map&colorbar=undefined It's a hybrid. 15 hours ago, bluewave said: Really unusual track for September. Most early season coastal storms or tropical systems track N to NE up or just off the coast. Can’t remember a September system coming in from the east into NJ before. Goes to show how strong the 500 mb ridging pattern has been associated with the record 600dm ridge a few weeks back and strong ridging since March. These kinds of storms don't belong in September they should not happen before late October. 16 hours ago, SACRUS said: LP Center moving into and through Belmar Tony from that satellite image it looks like the center crossed farther south between Atlantic City and Tom's River. 16 hours ago, bluewave said: March through September has been a pretty warm stretch for your area also. Only May was slightly cooler in your area. It was the 5th warmest March 1st through September 26th there since the new airport site opened in late 1999. So it makes it harder to compare to the older days before 2000 with so many data gaps. Station Thread for Mount Pocono Area, PANamePeriod in Thread1Pocono Mountains Municipal Airport10/01/1999 to 12/31/20252Tonyhanna Pocono Mountain Airport12/01/1961 to 09/30/19993Mt. Pocono09/12/1901 to 11/30/1961 Time Series Summary for POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, PA Warmest March 1st through September 26th since 2000 Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 1 2010-09-26 59.4 0 2 2012-09-26 59.1 0 3 2011-09-26 57.8 0 4 2024-09-26 57.7 0 5 2026-09-26 57.5 0 6 2025-09-26 57.4 0 7 2016-09-26 57.2 0 8 2021-09-26 56.9 0 - 2002-09-26 56.9 0 10 2022-09-26 56.8 0 - 2015-09-26 56.8 0 Mar…+5.5 Apr….+3.8 May….-0.4 Jun….+1.5 Jul…..+0.9 Aug…+0.7 Sep…..+1.7 On September 29, 1999, a major weather observation shift occurred in the Pocono Mountains when the Pocono Mountains Municipal Airport (KMPO) in Mount Pocono officially began automated reporting. [1] This marked the transition of the region's primary Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reporting site to a modern, standardized system. Prior to late 1999, data was predominantly recorded via manual, local cooperative observers or different measurement techniques, which occasionally led to minor visual bias reporting errors on scaling instruments. [1, 2] Impact of the 1999 Shift Standardized Automation: The introduction of the KMPO automated station allowed the National Weather Service to stream consistent, real-time meteorological observations. Climate Baseline: This shift established the digital baseline used to create the region's ongoing historical record and formal climate summaries. [1, 2, 3] So all snowfall, rainfall and temperature records from before 1999 are suspect? Well damn they were just saying how today's rainfall record is from Hurricane Gloria in 1985. 6 inches of rain in a storm that moved quickly and tracked further to the east than this one. What about temperature records from very cold winters like 1993-94 and very hot summers like 1980, 1983 1988, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1999? And those snowfall records from 1987 1988, 1993 1994 and 1996? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 9 hours ago, nycwinter said: i am looking forward to a milder drier week for a change.. It's a lot more than milder. Mid to upper 80s late week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 18 hours ago, TriPol said: I think this would be an unusual track for any time of the year! I can't recall a storm since Sandy that went retrograde. Sandy was obviously the most extreme since it was such a strong system which occurred at the end of October in 2012. Henri was another much weaker system to come in from the east but was further north than this event. Henri lead to record flash flooding in August 2021. So these much stronger blocks to our north make these type of tracks possible. https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/693bb9ddab5b4fb3a4aa5b79e5435b9f 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, SnoSki14 said: It's a lot more than milder. Mid to upper 80s late week highs i am seeing for central park are upper 70's.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: It's a lot more than milder. Mid to upper 80s late week What day is that? And can we quote you for credit when we get there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 5 hours ago, LibertyBell said: So all snowfall, rainfall and temperature records from before 1999 are suspect? Well damn they were just saying how today's rainfall record is from Hurricane Gloria in 1985. 6 inches of rain in a storm that moved quickly and tracked further to the east than this one. What about temperature records from very cold winters like 1993-94 and very hot summers like 1980, 1983 1988, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1999? And those snowfall records from 1987 1988, 1993 1994 and 1996? Plenty of missing data before 2000 at MPO including no observations at all from the record 93-94 winter in NEPA. The column on the right is total number of missing days for each year. Notice how this recent period since 2000 is the most complete. But since there is no contract snowfall observer at MPO, we have to look to the surrounding areas volunteer snowfall observations. The older observations prior to the airport being build in the early 1960s may have been at a different altitude than the airport due to where the coop observers in the area lived. So some of the warm records could have been from a lower altitude. Time Series Summary for Mount Pocono Area, PA (ThreadEx) Missing Days right column Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. 2025 46.4 0 2024 48.2 0 2023 48.3 0 2022 46.4 0 2021 47.5 0 2020 47.8 0 2019 46.2 0 2018 46.4 0 2017 46.8 0 2016 47.4 0 2015 47.2 0 2014 45.1 0 2013 46.6 0 2012 49.3 0 2011 48.3 0 2010 48.0 0 2009 46.3 0 2008 45.7 0 2007 46.5 0 2006 48.1 0 2005 46.5 0 2004 45.9 0 2003 44.8 0 2002 47.2 0 2001 46.2 0 2000 45.0 0 1999 46.9 9 1998 48.5 33 1997 45.0 22 1996 44.9 36 1995 52.1 232 1994 M 365 1993 46.9 128 1992 43.9 39 1991 46.5 46 1990 47.2 96 1989 42.9 67 1988 43.6 31 1987 44.2 27 1986 44.2 9 1985 32.3 242 1984 46.1 0 1983 46.6 1 1982 45.3 0 1981 45.4 0 1980 44.9 0 1979 45.8 0 1978 44.0 0 1977 45.4 1 1976 44.7 0 1975 46.4 0 1974 45.8 0 1973 47.4 0 1972 44.6 0 1971 45.4 0 1970 44.9 0 1969 44.9 0 1968 45.1 0 1967 44.6 0 1966 44.3 0 1965 44.5 0 1964 45.9 0 1963 44.4 0 1962 44.4 0 1961 27.5 331 1960 46.9 137 1959 37.3 216 1958 44.2 4 1957 46.9 7 1956 45.6 3 1955 47.1 7 1954 47.0 4 1953 48.2 20 1952 47.1 0 1951 46.6 0 1950 45.8 1 1949 53.4 182 1948 47.1 92 1947 44.8 0 1946 46.5 0 1945 45.2 0 1944 45.1 0 1943 44.3 0 1942 45.6 0 1941 44.4 0 1940 41.7 0 1939 44.5 0 1938 46.0 0 1937 44.8 0 1936 44.6 0 1935 43.9 0 1934 43.3 18 1933 46.6 78 1932 42.5 0 1931 46.8 0 1930 44.6 56 1929 45.5 0 1928 48.5 61 1927 48.8 84 1926 51.3 204 1925 60.1 243 1924 43.2 151 1923 49.8 212 1922 51.4 181 1921 46.4 122 1920 43.2 0 1919 45.7 0 1918 45.3 0 1917 42.2 0 1916 44.0 0 1915 50.8 90 1914 44.6 122 1913 38.5 143 1912 43.9 0 1911 46.3 5 1910 45.0 3 1909 45.4 9 1908 44.7 11 1907 41.9 5 1906 45.3 1 1905 44.7 0 1904 41.9 1 1903 44.0 12 1902 44.7 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, nycwinter said: highs i am seeing for central park are upper 70's.. Mid 80's is aggressive especially with wet ground, but I think some places will make a run at 80-Wed-Fri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: It's a lot more than milder. Mid to upper 80s late week this euro sounding for friday in central nj isn't mixed out enough. these people never learn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straphanger Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago TWC is showing LGA at 84 on Friday. Meanwhile, NWS and AW top out in the upper 70s for LGA on Friday. Who's going to be right here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 5 hours ago, LibertyBell said: It's long overstayed its welcome Naming storms just isn't an objective scientific process. We blame the weather channel for their silly naming scheme but the NHC can be criticized too. Plenty of storms in years like 2005 and 2020 that would not have been named in the 50s and 60s and prior years. I'm sure 1933 would have had a lot more. It's a lot like snowfall measuring. Oh and there was an intentionally not named hurricane during the Perfect Storm October 1991 and that December 1994 storm should have been named too. That one was far stronger than this one. I think Chris posted a video with Dr. Joe Sobel in it? It would have been all rain at the coast just like December 1992 was but much less impact than that historic storm. Stadium effect? I wonder if it behaved like the eye of a hurricane? Landfall location near Tom's River? Well now it's just tedious and boring. This thing has long overstayed its welcome and become tedious and boring. I can't wait until humans control the weather and kick these things out. Still got rain here, sometimes heavy. It's a hybrid. These kinds of storms don't belong in September they should not happen before late October. Tony from that satellite image it looks like the center crossed farther south between Atlantic City and Tom's River. So all snowfall, rainfall and temperature records from before 1999 are suspect? Well damn they were just saying how today's rainfall record is from Hurricane Gloria in 1985. 6 inches of rain in a storm that moved quickly and tracked further to the east than this one. What about temperature records from very cold winters like 1993-94 and very hot summers like 1980, 1983 1988, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1999? And those snowfall records from 1987 1988, 1993 1994 and 1996? 1992 went inland over the delmarva which is why the first part of the storm was rain. This one stayed east of us keeping the winds NE to NNE which would have likely been snow (barring a 1998 type el Nino warm environment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Central PA Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 29 minutes ago, forkyfork said: this euro sounding for friday in central nj isn't mixed out enough. these people never learn 80's for one day in early October isn't earth shattering..overall a cool pattern starting next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 43 minutes ago, Keith Central PA said: 80's for one day in early October isn't earth shattering..overall a cool pattern starting next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 6 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: It's a lot more than milder. Mid to upper 80s late week As of now I agree some locations in the region will reach 85 or higher Friday afternoon - the 850 temps are several degrees above normal and in front of the cold front winds will be from the southwest - BUT if that cooler air speeds up and makes it here earlier in the day then expected temps won't max out so high - when you are 4 days away from an event always good to keep your options open - also how much cloud cover in advance of the front ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriPol Posted 31 minutes ago Share Posted 31 minutes ago 33 minutes ago, NEG NAO said: As of now I agree some locations in the region will reach 85 or higher Friday afternoon - the 850 temps are several degrees above normal and in front of the cold front winds will be from the southwest - BUT if that cooler air speeds up and makes it here earlier in the day then expected temps won't max out so high - when you are 4 days away from an event always good to keep your options open - also how much cloud cover in advance of the front ? Maybe if we get a good collision of cool air and warm air, we'll get some good thunderstorms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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