December 2025 regional war/obs/disco thread

[WinterWolf]

1 minute ago, ineedsnow said:

18z HRRR way looks better 

That model has been horrific lately…but whatever. 

[KTBFFH1905]

2 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

I hope southern peeps can at least get inch or two.  This seems like a coating for the Rt 2 folks.

We just lost our coating after that rain. 

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, WinterWolf said:

So with all that said…December is as we all thought, sometimes they suck for snow, sometimes they are good.  Kevin’s ideas on December are from a skewed view. 

The last 5 years have been pretty bad so there’s some recency bias…the historic pattern of up and down Decembers looks like Mt Mansfield in comparison. 

[weatherwiz]

I was wondering if there would be upgrades to warnings in the OV for tonight. Surprised there aren't more warnings. I could see a narrow but elongated strip of 6-8". Going to be some surprised peeps there in the morning. 

[ineedsnow]

today is better than some of our high wind warning days.. rip after rip

[ORH_wxman]

Only at 42h and it’s the NAM, but it doesn’t look like 18z is going to help us. 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

You really need to be outside of 495 and north of I-84 to get higher than 50/50 chances for White Christmas climatologically in SNE. ORH was around 60-65%. 
 

Obviously recent years have been bad. I think last year in 2024 is the only White Xmas in the 2020s. For ORH, then you have: 2019, 2017, 2013, 2012, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2005, 2002, 2000.
 

You could maybe count 2020 on a technicality (the snow wasn’t 100% wiped out by 12z which is the measurement time but certainly by 18z it was) 

So we’re sitting at about 50% since 2000. 

I may have asked before, but I don’t think I ever got a concrete response.

Whats the return rate on a 16 year stretch without a white Christmas here? We did not have a white Christmas here in 2017, close by may have, but we did not.

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

Just now, ORH_wxman said:

Only at 42h and it’s the NAM, but it doesn’t look like 18z is going to help us. 

You can already tell it’s worse. Classic

[ORH_wxman]

Just now, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

I may have asked before, but I don’t think I ever got a concrete response.

Whats the return rate on a 16 year stretch without a white Christmas here? We did not have a white Christmas here in 2017, close by may have, but we did not.

It has to be pretty low. In fact, it might be hard to find another 16 year stretch there. 

[Spanks45]

1 hour ago, WinterWolf said:

This is the 80’s to a frieken T!  Something would always go wrong, and sabotage a good system, and now we are right back to it again. 

Just get some snow on the ground that covers the brown grass, at least for a couple days...not whining about a blizzard here. Last year the only thing that hung around was the 4 inch glacier. Made sledding useless despite the cold temps, come on mother nature, the young kids need it....

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

Just now, ORH_wxman said:

It has to be pretty low. In fact, it might be hard to find another 16 year stretch there. 

That’s what I figured. Just an insane stretch where even here we’ve had some big melt outs right before the holiday.

 

[Chrisrotary12]

Not the most consistently windy day, but the gusts have been impressive.

[WinterWolf]

14 minutes ago, ineedsnow said:

today is better than some of our high wind warning days.. rip after rip

Cold out there today. Brrr. 

[wxsniss]

Not liking NAM trend at 18z, fwiw...

18z Saturday/0z Sunday is a key litmus I've been using on all guidance... all about pin-the-PV-center-on-the-lake... the further northwest that lobe center is, the better the downstream heights and tilt of our trough for our storm a day later: Over Lake Superior, high-end advisory. East of Lake Huron, it's a scraper.

 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

1 minute ago, wxsniss said:

Not liking NAM trend at 18z, fwiw...

18z Saturday/0z Sunday is a key litmus I've been using on all guidance... all about pin-the-PV-center-on-the-lake... the further northwest that lobe center is, the better the downstream heights and tilt of our trough for our storm a day later: Over Lake Superior, high-end advisory. East of Lake Huron, it's a scraper.

 

Yup, it’s pressing further SE this run, so I’d bet we get a scraper at best 

[Typhoon Tip]

'Good Heavens!   are you guys still trying to win?'

[WinterWolf]

As I said earlier, when we want the PV to get involved it doesn’t. When we’d like it to retract a tad, it doesn’t.  Hilarious.  Snow for everybody…no snow for SNE.  Oh well.  It’s extremely early, so I guess there’s that. 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

NAM back to a graze. 2” on the beaches maybe and then a coating up by the pike 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

I know people always comment on who posts and what to expect, but the biggest indicators is who isn’t posting. Scooter hasn’t chimed in wt all. Tells you all you need to know about this “threat”

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

Blah, the ending is where you really notice. Shifted way SE, not even close