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MLK 2022 Storm Potential


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Where 18z EC it ends at 90 it’s hard to say. You would think it looks great just from this…

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The positives…the surface low is SE of 12z at 90 hrs. So is the h5 low. Slightly more confluence and suppressive flow over the northeast. 


Negatives… the h5 is more amplified, there is slightly more ridging to the north of the low and as the tpv lobe exits to our north that’s a problem. 
Unknowns…how the phasing is going to occur 

Overall I think this is a slight improvement over 12z. This is going to turn north but getting it faster and further southeast before that happens is our best bet Imo. 

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41 minutes ago, dukeblue219 said:

Quick question - at what stage do the ensemble means perform the averaging? Is it done at a low level, averaging pressures and temperatures and then generating output products? Or is it at the very end, averaging (for example) every output snowfall together? 

The ensemble is a certain number, 20-50 depending on the model system, of lower resolution model runs with perturbed initial conditions. A mean of those members is produced at each time step for any particular variable. 

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Last comp. It’s hard to compare because the Gfs is much faster but if you take the Gfs when it had the h5 and surface low where the euro does at 90 hrs the euro is significant colder and south. Which is pretty amazing given the Gfs was at that point 12 hours sooner with less time to scour the fresh cold airmass. 

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A faster primary shortwave helps us in a couple ways. It also increases the separation between it and the northern stream shortwave that yanks it north. 18z GEFS shows this we’ll around 96-108hrs. We wanted more separation between this and the ocean low at one point. Now we want more between the northern shortwave. Hopefully we can get more.

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19 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

The ensemble is a certain number, 20-50 depending on the model system, of lower resolution model runs with perturbed initial conditions. A mean of those members is produced at each time step for any particular variable. 

The question I'm posing is whether a mean is always an end product (like an average of 50 rainfall amounts at each geographic point) or if the means are computed internally to generate a "mean" atmosphere at each timestamp and then used to generate a single output after additional processing. I assume it's the former as the latter would seem to be problematic but I had never thought about it before. 

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6 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

A faster primary shortwave helps us in a couple ways. It also increases the separation between it and the northern stream shortwave that yanks it north. 18z GEFS shows this we’ll around 96-108hrs. We wanted more separation between this and the ocean low at one point. Now we want more between the northern shortwave. Hopefully we can get more.

We better switch to geico…

 

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16 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

A faster primary shortwave helps us in a couple ways. It also increases the separation between it and the northern stream shortwave that yanks it north. 18z GEFS shows this we’ll around 96-108hrs. We wanted more separation between this and the ocean low at one point. Now we want more between the northern shortwave. Hopefully we can get more.

Tomorrow it will probably outrun it and we will be worried about suppression. Negative weenie comment.. Just carry on

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31 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Where 18z EC it ends at 90 it’s hard to say. You would think it looks great just from this…

BYxTVtD.png


The positives…the surface low is SE of 12z at 90 hrs. So is the h5 low. Slightly more confluence and suppressive flow over the northeast. 


Negatives… the h5 is more amplified, there is slightly more ridging to the north of the low and as the tpv lobe exits to our north that’s a problem. 
Unknowns…how the phasing is going to occur 

Overall I think this is a slight improvement over 12z. This is going to turn north but getting it faster and further southeast before that happens is our best bet Imo. 

You would think 99% beatdown. That’s exactly why I think that’s exactly what will happen.

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