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September Discussion Thread: Bring the frost; kill the bugs.


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11 minutes ago, Spanks45 said:

My garden hopes it stays warm through early October, but it has already hit 46 this month, I suspect I get some frost before the month is over....50.0 this morning

Been an incredible summer for gardens. My hydrangeas and hostas are blooming again. My tomatoes are flowering again and on their 2nd crop of tomatoes.  

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1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Certainly no frosts this month in this pattern. Thread title needs to be changed 

This isn't the SNE sub-forum.  If September fails to bring a frost here, it would be only the 2nd time in 24 years.  I'll go with climo.

ASOS was 58/54 during +RN and those temps definitely pack a different QPF punch than +RN at 72/68 a week ago.

Yesterday's TS dropped the temp from 75 to 62 in 10 minutes.  That wasn't happening with met summer TS - more like 78 to 70.

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1 hour ago, dendrite said:

Half of the GEFS members bring a potent cold airmass in toward the end of the month. I know you're purposely being a weenie, but you can't rule it out for the rad pits yet. It doesn't take much for CON, ORE, OWD, and Maple Sinks.

Not seeing anything close to that. The last half of the month has an Uber warm signal on most guidance aside from some weenie GEFs 

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1 hour ago, dendrite said:

It's been a struggle for my little pawpaw patch this summer with very little new growth. I finally gave in and used some water soluble Jack's citrus FeED (since the asimina family has tropical origins) and they really greened up and over half of them are putting out new growth and leaves. It's late in the season though so I'd like to get another week of growth and then have them harden off before a freeze. At least the root zone must be expanding since they decided to put out new top growth. I'm excited for spring already so I can hit them with this feed right away. It's not organic, but it'll be years before they put out fruit...so I figure 2-3 years of using this to get them established and then we can go with organic methods. Kinda goin lawn thread here, but these plants are late to come out of dormancy and early to go in...it's going to be tough to get ripe fruit up here because of the lack of GDDs, but maybe my hillside can steal me a week on both ends of the season.

I am intrigued by Pawpaws, might have to plant a few....Planted 1 peach, grafted pear, and 4 apples....I have room to plant another 4-6 trees, just haven't been able to make the decision which ones to go with. The wife and kids want ducks, so I guess that will be added to the list.

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1 hour ago, BrianW said:

Been an incredible summer for gardens. My hydrangeas and hostas are blooming again. My tomatoes are flowering again and on their 2nd crop of tomatoes.  

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sungolds? Ours went nuts this year, I have tomato plants that I thought were done for after 10 inches of rain the beginning of July, but they bounced back and have been non stop since then....

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Just now, HIPPYVALLEY said:

Looks like no real end in sight for the automotive supply chain shortage.

Sucks because we are starting to look and the new and used markets are awful right now. Sellers market.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/06/vw-ford-daimler-fear-chip-shortage-could-persist-for-some-time.html

We leased our minivan 3.5 years ago, never would have thought we were going to buy out the lease in the end. The agreed amount was $22,400 at the time, well we just bought the van. Our van, right now if we were to buy it used with the same amount of miles is roughly $35,000.

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Just now, Spanks45 said:

We leased our minivan 3.5 years ago, never would have thought we were going to buy out the lease in the end. The agreed amount was $22,400 at the time, well we just bought the van. Our van, right now if we were to buy it used with the same amount of miles is roughly $35,000.

Yikes!  Yeah, I may just spend a few grand maintenance on the older vehicles we have.  Mechanics are really busy right now too...

ps: I moved my original post to the banter thread if anyone else has more to say or a mod can move these replies.

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10 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Ginx . SE of Bermuda a bouy is showing SE swell 10.2 ft @ 16 seconds . Thursday will be pumping in RI .  Chest high Swells will be at RI beaches with sizeable waits between sets by Tommorrow afternoon  . NJ bouy just began pinging Start of Larry swell This am .

Friday?

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6 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Right .. Above normal . Not frosty and fall 

4 straight freezes at CON last Sep despite a +1.5 month.

                                          STATION:   CONCORD NH
                                          MONTH:     SEPTEMBER
                                          YEAR:      2020
                                          LATITUDE:   43 12 N
                                          LONGITUDE:  71 30 W

  TEMPERATURE IN F:       :PCPN:    SNOW:  WIND      :SUNSHINE: SKY     :PK WND
================================================================================
1   2   3   4   5  6A  6B    7    8   9   10  11  12  13   14  15   16   17  18
                                     12Z  AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD  WTR  SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX    SPD DR
================================================================================

 1  78  50  64  -1   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.4 15 170   M    M   4        23 170
 2  68  57  63  -2   2   0 0.15  0.0    0  4.0 12 160   M    M   8 1      18 160
 3  79  60  70   5   0   5 0.03  0.0    0  3.8 10 160   M    M   6 1      13 330
 4  81  52  67   3   0   2 0.00  0.0    0  5.9 22 290   M    M   1 12     27 310
 5  78  44  61  -3   4   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.6 18 310   M    M   3        24 320
 6  79  53  66   2   0   1 0.00  0.0    0  2.5 12 310   M    M   4        17 280
 7  84  54  69   6   0   4 0.00  0.0    0  8.0 23 170   M    M   4        30 180
 8  86  58  72   9   0   7 0.00  0.0    0  3.3  8 160   M    M   1 12     14 180
 9  84  59  72   9   0   7 0.00  0.0    0  2.6  9 160   M    M   0        13 140
10  79  60  70   8   0   5 0.01  0.0    0  2.1 10 170   M    M   4 12     13 170
11  74  47  61  -1   4   0 0.00  0.0    0  7.5 17 330   M    M   4        23 330
12  71  40  56  -6   9   0 0.00  0.0    0  3.4 14 170   M    M   0 1      18 190
13  76  42  59  -2   6   0 0.00  0.0    0  6.3 18 170   M    M   6        24 180
14  74  48  61   0   4   0 0.00  0.0    0 10.8 24 320   M    M   0        32 320
15  67  35  51  -9  14   0 0.00  0.0    0  1.8 10 270   M    M   0        15 210
16  77  36  57  -3   8   0 0.00  0.0    0  6.7 18 220   M    M   0        24 190
17  77  50  64   4   1   0    T  0.0    0  5.3 16 330   M    M   3 1      24 360
18  69  45  57  -2   8   0    T  0.0    0  9.1 18 330   M    M   6        26 300
19  62  28  45 -14  20   0 0.00  0.0    0  5.8 16 330   M    M   0        22 310
20  64  27  46 -12  19   0 0.00  0.0    0  2.6 13 360   M    M   1        17  20
21  66  27  47 -11  18   0 0.00  0.0    0  1.8 14  10   M    M   0        17 360
22  67  27  47 -10  18   0 0.00  0.0    0  8.1 18 330   M    M   0        26 340
23  80  49  65   8   0   0 0.00  0.0    0  8.4 24 300   M    M   1        33 290
24  81  43  62   5   3   0 0.00  0.0    0  3.3 13 240   M    M   0        18 250
25  80  47  64   8   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  2.5 12 140   M    M   0        16 100
26  75  50  63   7   2   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.0 13 160   M    M   7 12     16 170
27  78  60  69  14   0   4 0.00  0.0    0  6.0 14 190   M    M   8 1      18 190
28  82  65  74  19   0   9 0.07  0.0    0  8.3 21 190   M    M   5 1      29 200
29  82  60  71  17   0   6    T  0.0    0  6.8 17 170   M    M   7 1      22 170
30  72  50  61   7   4   0 0.65  0.0    0 11.7 28 170   M    M   4 1      41 160
================================================================================
SM 2270 1423       146  50  0.91     0.0 161.4          M       87
================================================================================
AV 75.7 47.4                               5.4 FASTST   M    M   3    MAX(MPH)
                                 MISC ---->  # 28 170               # 41  160
================================================================================
NOTES:
# LAST OF SEVERAL OCCURRENCES

COLUMN 17 PEAK WIND IN M.P.H.

PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6) , PAGE 2

                                          STATION:  CONCORD NH
                                          MONTH:    SEPTEMBER
                                          YEAR:     2020
                                          LATITUDE:   43 12 N
                                          LONGITUDE:  71 30 W

[TEMPERATURE DATA]      [PRECIPITATION DATA]       SYMBOLS USED IN COLUMN 16

AVERAGE MONTHLY: 61.6   TOTAL FOR MONTH:   0.91    1 = FOG OR MIST
DPTR FM NORMAL:   1.5   DPTR FM NORMAL:   -2.47    2 = FOG REDUCING VISIBILITY
HIGHEST:    86 ON  8    GRTST 24HR  0.65 ON 30-30      TO 1/4 MILE OR LESS
LOWEST:     27 ON 22,21                            3 = THUNDER
                        SNOW, ICE PELLETS, HAIL    4 = ICE PELLETS
                        TOTAL MONTH:   0.0 INCH    5 = HAIL
                        GRTST 24HR     0.0         6 = FREEZING RAIN OR DRIZZLE
                        GRTST DEPTH:   0           7 = DUSTSTORM OR SANDSTORM:
                                                       VSBY 1/2 MILE OR LESS
                                                   8 = SMOKE OR HAZE
[NO. OF DAYS WITH]      [WEATHER - DAYS WITH]      9 = BLOWING SNOW
                                                   X = TORNADO
MAX 32 OR BELOW:   0    0.01 INCH OR MORE:   5
MAX 90 OR ABOVE:   0    0.10 INCH OR MORE:   2
MIN 32 OR BELOW:   4    0.50 INCH OR MORE:   1
MIN  0 OR BELOW:   0    1.00 INCH OR MORE:   0

[HDD (BASE 65) ]
TOTAL THIS MO.   146    CLEAR  (SCALE 0-3)  16
DPTR FM NORMAL   -41    PTCLDY (SCALE 4-7)  13
TOTAL FM JUL 1   175    CLOUDY (SCALE 8-10)  1
DPTR FM NORMAL   -60

[CDD (BASE 65) ]
TOTAL THIS MO.    50
DPTR FM NORMAL    13    [PRESSURE DATA]
TOTAL FM JAN 1   726    HIGHEST SLP M ON M
DPTR FM NORMAL   276    LOWEST  SLP 29.35 ON 30

 

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10 minutes ago, dendrite said:

4 straight freezes at CON last Sep despite a +1.5 month.

                                          STATION:   CONCORD NH
                                          MONTH:     SEPTEMBER
                                          YEAR:      2020
                                          LATITUDE:   43 12 N
                                          LONGITUDE:  71 30 W

  TEMPERATURE IN F:       :PCPN:    SNOW:  WIND      :SUNSHINE: SKY     :PK WND
================================================================================
1   2   3   4   5  6A  6B    7    8   9   10  11  12  13   14  15   16   17  18
                                     12Z  AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD  WTR  SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX    SPD DR
================================================================================

 1  78  50  64  -1   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.4 15 170   M    M   4        23 170
 2  68  57  63  -2   2   0 0.15  0.0    0  4.0 12 160   M    M   8 1      18 160
 3  79  60  70   5   0   5 0.03  0.0    0  3.8 10 160   M    M   6 1      13 330
 4  81  52  67   3   0   2 0.00  0.0    0  5.9 22 290   M    M   1 12     27 310
 5  78  44  61  -3   4   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.6 18 310   M    M   3        24 320
 6  79  53  66   2   0   1 0.00  0.0    0  2.5 12 310   M    M   4        17 280
 7  84  54  69   6   0   4 0.00  0.0    0  8.0 23 170   M    M   4        30 180
 8  86  58  72   9   0   7 0.00  0.0    0  3.3  8 160   M    M   1 12     14 180
 9  84  59  72   9   0   7 0.00  0.0    0  2.6  9 160   M    M   0        13 140
10  79  60  70   8   0   5 0.01  0.0    0  2.1 10 170   M    M   4 12     13 170
11  74  47  61  -1   4   0 0.00  0.0    0  7.5 17 330   M    M   4        23 330
12  71  40  56  -6   9   0 0.00  0.0    0  3.4 14 170   M    M   0 1      18 190
13  76  42  59  -2   6   0 0.00  0.0    0  6.3 18 170   M    M   6        24 180
14  74  48  61   0   4   0 0.00  0.0    0 10.8 24 320   M    M   0        32 320
15  67  35  51  -9  14   0 0.00  0.0    0  1.8 10 270   M    M   0        15 210
16  77  36  57  -3   8   0 0.00  0.0    0  6.7 18 220   M    M   0        24 190
17  77  50  64   4   1   0    T  0.0    0  5.3 16 330   M    M   3 1      24 360
18  69  45  57  -2   8   0    T  0.0    0  9.1 18 330   M    M   6        26 300
19  62  28  45 -14  20   0 0.00  0.0    0  5.8 16 330   M    M   0        22 310
20  64  27  46 -12  19   0 0.00  0.0    0  2.6 13 360   M    M   1        17  20
21  66  27  47 -11  18   0 0.00  0.0    0  1.8 14  10   M    M   0        17 360
22  67  27  47 -10  18   0 0.00  0.0    0  8.1 18 330   M    M   0        26 340
23  80  49  65   8   0   0 0.00  0.0    0  8.4 24 300   M    M   1        33 290
24  81  43  62   5   3   0 0.00  0.0    0  3.3 13 240   M    M   0        18 250
25  80  47  64   8   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  2.5 12 140   M    M   0        16 100
26  75  50  63   7   2   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.0 13 160   M    M   7 12     16 170
27  78  60  69  14   0   4 0.00  0.0    0  6.0 14 190   M    M   8 1      18 190
28  82  65  74  19   0   9 0.07  0.0    0  8.3 21 190   M    M   5 1      29 200
29  82  60  71  17   0   6    T  0.0    0  6.8 17 170   M    M   7 1      22 170
30  72  50  61   7   4   0 0.65  0.0    0 11.7 28 170   M    M   4 1      41 160
================================================================================
SM 2270 1423       146  50  0.91     0.0 161.4          M       87
================================================================================
AV 75.7 47.4                               5.4 FASTST   M    M   3    MAX(MPH)
                                 MISC ---->  # 28 170               # 41  160
================================================================================
NOTES:
# LAST OF SEVERAL OCCURRENCES

COLUMN 17 PEAK WIND IN M.P.H.

PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6) , PAGE 2

                                          STATION:  CONCORD NH
                                          MONTH:    SEPTEMBER
                                          YEAR:     2020
                                          LATITUDE:   43 12 N
                                          LONGITUDE:  71 30 W

[TEMPERATURE DATA]      [PRECIPITATION DATA]       SYMBOLS USED IN COLUMN 16

AVERAGE MONTHLY: 61.6   TOTAL FOR MONTH:   0.91    1 = FOG OR MIST
DPTR FM NORMAL:   1.5   DPTR FM NORMAL:   -2.47    2 = FOG REDUCING VISIBILITY
HIGHEST:    86 ON  8    GRTST 24HR  0.65 ON 30-30      TO 1/4 MILE OR LESS
LOWEST:     27 ON 22,21                            3 = THUNDER
                        SNOW, ICE PELLETS, HAIL    4 = ICE PELLETS
                        TOTAL MONTH:   0.0 INCH    5 = HAIL
                        GRTST 24HR     0.0         6 = FREEZING RAIN OR DRIZZLE
                        GRTST DEPTH:   0           7 = DUSTSTORM OR SANDSTORM:
                                                       VSBY 1/2 MILE OR LESS
                                                   8 = SMOKE OR HAZE
[NO. OF DAYS WITH]      [WEATHER - DAYS WITH]      9 = BLOWING SNOW
                                                   X = TORNADO
MAX 32 OR BELOW:   0    0.01 INCH OR MORE:   5
MAX 90 OR ABOVE:   0    0.10 INCH OR MORE:   2
MIN 32 OR BELOW:   4    0.50 INCH OR MORE:   1
MIN  0 OR BELOW:   0    1.00 INCH OR MORE:   0

[HDD (BASE 65) ]
TOTAL THIS MO.   146    CLEAR  (SCALE 0-3)  16
DPTR FM NORMAL   -41    PTCLDY (SCALE 4-7)  13
TOTAL FM JUL 1   175    CLOUDY (SCALE 8-10)  1
DPTR FM NORMAL   -60

[CDD (BASE 65) ]
TOTAL THIS MO.    50
DPTR FM NORMAL    13    [PRESSURE DATA]
TOTAL FM JAN 1   726    HIGHEST SLP M ON M
DPTR FM NORMAL   276    LOWEST  SLP 29.35 ON 30

 

Good luck with that forecast !

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36 minutes ago, dendrite said:

4 straight freezes at CON last Sep despite a +1.5 month.

                                          STATION:   CONCORD NH
                                          MONTH:     SEPTEMBER
                                          YEAR:      2020
                                          LATITUDE:   43 12 N
                                          LONGITUDE:  71 30 W

  TEMPERATURE IN F:       :PCPN:    SNOW:  WIND      :SUNSHINE: SKY     :PK WND
================================================================================
1   2   3   4   5  6A  6B    7    8   9   10  11  12  13   14  15   16   17  18
                                     12Z  AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD  WTR  SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX    SPD DR
================================================================================

 1  78  50  64  -1   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.4 15 170   M    M   4        23 170
 2  68  57  63  -2   2   0 0.15  0.0    0  4.0 12 160   M    M   8 1      18 160
 3  79  60  70   5   0   5 0.03  0.0    0  3.8 10 160   M    M   6 1      13 330
 4  81  52  67   3   0   2 0.00  0.0    0  5.9 22 290   M    M   1 12     27 310
 5  78  44  61  -3   4   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.6 18 310   M    M   3        24 320
 6  79  53  66   2   0   1 0.00  0.0    0  2.5 12 310   M    M   4        17 280
 7  84  54  69   6   0   4 0.00  0.0    0  8.0 23 170   M    M   4        30 180
 8  86  58  72   9   0   7 0.00  0.0    0  3.3  8 160   M    M   1 12     14 180
 9  84  59  72   9   0   7 0.00  0.0    0  2.6  9 160   M    M   0        13 140
10  79  60  70   8   0   5 0.01  0.0    0  2.1 10 170   M    M   4 12     13 170
11  74  47  61  -1   4   0 0.00  0.0    0  7.5 17 330   M    M   4        23 330
12  71  40  56  -6   9   0 0.00  0.0    0  3.4 14 170   M    M   0 1      18 190
13  76  42  59  -2   6   0 0.00  0.0    0  6.3 18 170   M    M   6        24 180
14  74  48  61   0   4   0 0.00  0.0    0 10.8 24 320   M    M   0        32 320
15  67  35  51  -9  14   0 0.00  0.0    0  1.8 10 270   M    M   0        15 210
16  77  36  57  -3   8   0 0.00  0.0    0  6.7 18 220   M    M   0        24 190
17  77  50  64   4   1   0    T  0.0    0  5.3 16 330   M    M   3 1      24 360
18  69  45  57  -2   8   0    T  0.0    0  9.1 18 330   M    M   6        26 300
19  62  28  45 -14  20   0 0.00  0.0    0  5.8 16 330   M    M   0        22 310
20  64  27  46 -12  19   0 0.00  0.0    0  2.6 13 360   M    M   1        17  20
21  66  27  47 -11  18   0 0.00  0.0    0  1.8 14  10   M    M   0        17 360
22  67  27  47 -10  18   0 0.00  0.0    0  8.1 18 330   M    M   0        26 340
23  80  49  65   8   0   0 0.00  0.0    0  8.4 24 300   M    M   1        33 290
24  81  43  62   5   3   0 0.00  0.0    0  3.3 13 240   M    M   0        18 250
25  80  47  64   8   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  2.5 12 140   M    M   0        16 100
26  75  50  63   7   2   0 0.00  0.0    0  4.0 13 160   M    M   7 12     16 170
27  78  60  69  14   0   4 0.00  0.0    0  6.0 14 190   M    M   8 1      18 190
28  82  65  74  19   0   9 0.07  0.0    0  8.3 21 190   M    M   5 1      29 200
29  82  60  71  17   0   6    T  0.0    0  6.8 17 170   M    M   7 1      22 170
30  72  50  61   7   4   0 0.65  0.0    0 11.7 28 170   M    M   4 1      41 160
================================================================================
SM 2270 1423       146  50  0.91     0.0 161.4          M       87
================================================================================
AV 75.7 47.4                               5.4 FASTST   M    M   3    MAX(MPH)
                                 MISC ---->  # 28 170               # 41  160
================================================================================
NOTES:
# LAST OF SEVERAL OCCURRENCES

COLUMN 17 PEAK WIND IN M.P.H.

PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6) , PAGE 2

                                          STATION:  CONCORD NH
                                          MONTH:    SEPTEMBER
                                          YEAR:     2020
                                          LATITUDE:   43 12 N
                                          LONGITUDE:  71 30 W

[TEMPERATURE DATA]      [PRECIPITATION DATA]       SYMBOLS USED IN COLUMN 16

AVERAGE MONTHLY: 61.6   TOTAL FOR MONTH:   0.91    1 = FOG OR MIST
DPTR FM NORMAL:   1.5   DPTR FM NORMAL:   -2.47    2 = FOG REDUCING VISIBILITY
HIGHEST:    86 ON  8    GRTST 24HR  0.65 ON 30-30      TO 1/4 MILE OR LESS
LOWEST:     27 ON 22,21                            3 = THUNDER
                        SNOW, ICE PELLETS, HAIL    4 = ICE PELLETS
                        TOTAL MONTH:   0.0 INCH    5 = HAIL
                        GRTST 24HR     0.0         6 = FREEZING RAIN OR DRIZZLE
                        GRTST DEPTH:   0           7 = DUSTSTORM OR SANDSTORM:
                                                       VSBY 1/2 MILE OR LESS
                                                   8 = SMOKE OR HAZE
[NO. OF DAYS WITH]      [WEATHER - DAYS WITH]      9 = BLOWING SNOW
                                                   X = TORNADO
MAX 32 OR BELOW:   0    0.01 INCH OR MORE:   5
MAX 90 OR ABOVE:   0    0.10 INCH OR MORE:   2
MIN 32 OR BELOW:   4    0.50 INCH OR MORE:   1
MIN  0 OR BELOW:   0    1.00 INCH OR MORE:   0

[HDD (BASE 65) ]
TOTAL THIS MO.   146    CLEAR  (SCALE 0-3)  16
DPTR FM NORMAL   -41    PTCLDY (SCALE 4-7)  13
TOTAL FM JUL 1   175    CLOUDY (SCALE 8-10)  1
DPTR FM NORMAL   -60

[CDD (BASE 65) ]
TOTAL THIS MO.    50
DPTR FM NORMAL    13    [PRESSURE DATA]
TOTAL FM JAN 1   726    HIGHEST SLP M ON M
DPTR FM NORMAL   276    LOWEST  SLP 29.35 ON 30

 

Fits the lower priority narrative that's seems to get buried in the din of CC attributed hurricanes and wild fires... regarding shorter or nested duration "whip lashing" affects ...  It's a facet I often sense is forgotten.

Like last year's more extreme/obvious example of this:   4-6" snow on October 30 ...  a week later it's in the 80s.

It seems like - perhaps provably even... - 50 years ago, it's a hard freeze and packing pellets in the air later that afternoon and a 72/50 bath a week later, and everyone's all abuzz at 'how dramatic was the change' ...

Nowadays ... 6" of snow --> 84 

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35 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Fits the lower priority narrative that's seems to get buried in the din of CC attributed hurricanes and wild fires... regarding shorter or nested duration "whip lashing" affects ...  It's a facet I often sense is forgotten.

Like last year's more extreme/obvious example of this:   4-6" snow on October 30 ...  a week later it's in the 80s.

It seems like - perhaps provably even... - 50 years ago, it's a hard freeze and packing pellets in the air later that afternoon and a 72/50 bath a week later, and everyone's all abuzz at 'how dramatic was the change' ...

Nowadays ... 6" of snow --> 84 

The October snow aspect has gotten way more frequent for whatever reason....though previously when we had October snow, it was pretty common to torch not long after. The October 1979 snowstorm was followed up mid 80s like 10 or 12 days later.

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2 hours ago, dendrite said:

4 straight freezes at CON last Sep despite a +1.5 month.

 

It’s hard to understand why some fight the idea that it can be AN and yet still occasionally frost or have colder periods mixed in with a sea of background mild.

Almost like the well-mixed hilltop spots are rooting for warmth knowing they won’t frost anyway until like mid/late October when it’s CAA freezing temps.

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1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

The October snow aspect has gotten way more frequent for whatever reason....though previously when we had October snow, it was pretty common to torch not long after. The October 1979 snowstorm was followed up mid 80s like 10 or 12 days later.

Yeah ... that's the whole discussion point - the frequency of dramatic short duration corrections. 

But re 1979 ... did it produce the same amount in areal coverage of snow?  Were the ambient event temperatures comparable?   There's some other attributes that might have made that less impressive, for one... hitting 80s in October, albeit rare, is even more strange in November, which is when that happened last year. And the warmth lasted was a week long - if that adds.  But also, the duration was longer in 1979 between that occurrence of snow and the ensuing warm up. The point is short duration turn around, so comparing those two cases, last year was faster, but also ... more extreme ( perhaps) when including climate.

Problem I can see right off the bat in comparing these two events is that the slope of seasonal change is like the free fall on a roller coast ride between Oct 1 and and Thanks Giggedy, such that 2 or 3 weeks makes a bigger difference in comparing which event might "win" the extreme correction distinction LOL.   ... Either event was amazing, and 1979 certainly created it's own buzz for snow... then if it was 80s 10 days later etc etc...

But what about the 1987 Capital District event in October that year.  May as well throw that one in the ring and make this an all-out WWF finale...  I can't recall if that was coupled up with excessive warmth right away or not.

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Just now, Typhoon Tip said:

Yeah ... that's the whole discussion point - the frequency of dramatic short duration corrections. 

But re 1979 ... did it produce the same amount in areal coverage of snow?  Where the ambient event temperatures comparable?   There's some other attributes that might have made that less impressive, for one... hitting 80s in October, albeit rare, is even more strange in November, which is when that happened last year. And the warmth last was a week long. 

Problem I can see right off the bat in comparing these two events is that the slope of seasonal change is like the free fall on a roller coast ride between Oct 1 and and Thanks Giggedy, such that 2 or 3 weeks makes a bigger difference in comparing which event might "win" the extreme correction distinction LOL.   ... Either event was amazing, and 1979 certainly created it's own buzz for snow... then if it was 80s 10 days later etc etc...

But what about the 1987 Capital District event in October that year.  May as well throw that one in the ring and make this a all-out WWF finale...  I can't recall if that was coupled up with excessive warmth.

That was also the same month and year (Oct ‘79) as the Windsor Locks tornado if I’m not mistaken 

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3 minutes ago, Cyclone-68 said:

That was also the same month and year (Oct ‘79) as the Windsor Locks tornado if I’m not mistaken 

Right riiight, and both then and now were in solar minimums with a positive flux in UFO hysteria   lol j/k

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Way OT but ... does anyone know?

This is the famed PD storm of 1979 ...

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GoDhoMAvY3c/TqzOfkjAeEI/AAAAAAAABkE/5puKqJmUtsY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/1979%2BPresdents%2BDay%2BStorm.png

Was that ( say ...) forecasted originally to be a huge blizzard in SNE ?   Just looking at this picture seems to howl a story-line of bust that must have been so - it just looks like getting screwed!

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4 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Way OT but ... does anyone know?

This is the famed PD storm of 1979 ...

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GoDhoMAvY3c/TqzOfkjAeEI/AAAAAAAABkE/5puKqJmUtsY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/1979%2BPresdents%2BDay%2BStorm.png

Was that ( say ...) forecasted originally to be a huge blizzard in SNE ?   Just looking at this picture sees to howl that must have been so - it just looks like getting screwed!

Wxfella was smoking cirrus

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