November 2020 General Discussions & Observations Thread

[Rjay]

12 hours ago, Cfa said:

You really radiate much more than me. Low of 32 here. I’m just south of the moraine, it’s flat from here all the way to the Atlantic (and to Florida), but it gets hilly immediately to the north of me.

32 here the last 2 nights

[wdrag]

fwiw... past 24 hours rough idea of new snowfall. This part of Wantage NJ Trace both yesterday and this morning. 

[Eduardo]

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, cool downs like today should be relatively brief with such a fast Pacific flow.

 

 

Would be great to slow down the firehose.  It's definitely killed the last few winters at the coast.

[psv88]

39 minutes ago, Rjay said:

32 here the last 2 nights

31 last night

[dWave]

35 after a low of 32. coldest of season so far, 1st freeze 

[SnoSki14]

2 hours ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, cool downs like today should be relatively brief with such a fast Pacific flow.

 

 

It'll also make ridges harder to sustain. Models are showing a much more variable pattern (still mild) that's not as torchy as we've seen before. 

[SnoSki14]

1 hour ago, Allsnow said:

Looks like we will have a trough hanging close to the east coast after next weekend. Will keep the southeast ridge at bay and not allow us to really torch.

I hope we don't have 4 months of March again. There were so many cloudy, dreary 40s & 50s type days last winter. 

[bluewave]

1 hour ago, Allsnow said:

Looks like we will have a trough hanging close to the east coast after next weekend. Will keep the southeast ridge at bay and not allow us to really torch.

So we may finish November with average temperatures closer to the 2011 and 1999 La Ninas rather than than 2015 super El Niño.
 

Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of Nov
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Rank	Year	Mean Avg Temperature	Missing Count
1	2020	55.1	13
2	2015	52.8	0
3	2001	52.7	0
4	1979	52.5	0
5	1948	52.4	0
6	1975	52.3	0
7	2011	51.9	0
-	2006	51.9	0
-	1994	51.9	0
-	1931	51.9	0
8	1902	51.4	0
9	2009	51.1	0
10	1999	50.8	0

 

 

[Allsnow]

2 minutes ago, bluewave said:

So we may finish November with average temperatures closer to the 2011 and 1999 La Ninas rather than than 2015 super El Niño.
 

Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of Nov
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Rank	Year	Mean Avg Temperature	Missing Count
1	2020	55.1	13
2	2015	52.8	0
3	2001	52.7	0
4	1979	52.5	0
5	1948	52.4	0
6	1975	52.3	0
7	2011	51.9	0
-	2006	51.9	0
-	1994	51.9	0
-	1931	51.9	0
8	1902	51.4	0
9	2009	51.1	0
10	1999	50.8	0

 

 

Let’s hope we get a January 2000. We had a good 2-3 week period of winter that month 

[bluewave]

24 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

Let’s hope we get a January 2000. We had a good 2-3 week period of winter that month 

There were some similarities between the 99-00 and 11-12 La Ninas. Both featured a mild November and December. The biggest snowstorm of both winters occurred almost on the same date in late January. 
 

NYC

2000-01-25

30

25

27.5

-5.0

37

0

0.73

5.5

2

2012-01-21

29

22

25.5

-6.8

39

0

0.39

4.3

1

[Cfa]

1 hour ago, Rjay said:

32 here the last 2 nights

31 here this morning.

[gravitylover]

More flakes and still 29*

[dmillz25]

Low of 32 here, only 34 so far

[Allsnow]

High of 36 so far today. More of a late December feel then November 

[bluewave]

4 hours ago, Eduardo said:

Would be great to slow down the firehose.  It's definitely killed the last few winters at the coast.

We may have to wait until another strong El Niño emerges to see a dominant STJ instead. Jan 16 was one of my all time favorites.

 

 

 

[Rtd208]

Cold day out there. Current temp is 37 here.

Overnight low was 32

[SRRTA22]

39f for the high in Jersey City and currently 35

Overnight low was also 32

[SnoSki14]

Temps will tank tonight. My forecast is 21F and it's 37F currently.

[BucksCO_PA]

3 hours ago, Allsnow said:

Let’s hope we get a January 2000. We had a good 2-3 week period of winter that month 

Don't get me wrong that winter wasn't epic & something that'll be remembered for years however it does have it's moments. 

At Philly the 31 day period from 1/14 thru 2/13 was quite cold, -6.4 degree departure. Over that span 15.8" of snow officially at the airport, a tick or two more here locally NE of the city. What's interesting is the # of consecutive days with at least 1" of snow cover. At PHL snow depth records go back to 1948 and that winter had the 3rd longest stretch on record.

JAN/FEB 1961 - 28 days

FEB/MAR 2003 - 26 days

JAN/FEB 2000 - 23 days

Locally I finished that season with just over 24" close to average. Included an APR stat padder, throw in some bonus pts. for a double digit storm & yeah after the laundry list of dreadful outlooks I'd sign up for something similar.

Locally 37 / 31 split so far today, 37 is the coldest high temp since FEB 29th

1st freeze if not late tonight then certainly tomorrow morning at PHL, the airport will finish with a growing season of 260 days while my location 10 miles NE of the city is a dramatically different 173 days thanks to the solid May freeze.

[forkyfork]

5 hours ago, Allsnow said:

Let’s hope we get a January 2000. We had a good 2-3 week period of winter that month 

that dryslot ruined it

[Allsnow]

Just now, forkyfork said:

that dryslot ruined it

Lol. I knew you would bring that up. We got 4-5 of heavy wet snow then it shut off. I’m still waiting for that 2-4 of wrap around snows 

[forkyfork]

9 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

Lol. I knew you would bring that up. We got 4-5 of heavy wet snow then it shut off. I’m still waiting for that 2-4 of wrap around snows 

i woke up and it was pouring snow and kocin had us in the 12+ zone. ugh

[Allsnow]

6 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

i woke up and it was pouring snow and kocin had us in the 12+ zone. ugh

I remember looking at TWC radar and being concerned about the lack of precipitation by ACY. That’s just one of those storms that kept going west all the way till start time 

[uncle W]

5.5" as measured in Central Park but at least 0.5" was un reported because it snowed lightly after midnight until dawn...it should have been a 6" storm for the city...1999-2000 had one of the latest measurable snowfalls when the first one came on Jan. 20th...

[bluewave]

1 hour ago, uncle W said:

5.5" as measured in Central Park but at least 0.5" was un reported because it snowed lightly after midnight until dawn...it should have been a 6" storm for the city...1999-2000 had one of the latest measurable snowfalls when the first one came on Jan. 20th...

That was the last time that the East Coast got a surprise major snowstorm when the models didn’t have any snow just a day before.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2010/01/major_snowstorm_ambushes_washi.html

[MJO812]

Feels like snow outside 

 

35 degrees 

[uncle W]

todays high of 36 is quite low for November 18th...the record is 33 last set in 1959...

[uncle W]

the night before Kocin did say there was an outside chance the storm comes up the coast...

[bluewave]

10 minutes ago, uncle W said:

the night before Kocin did say there was an outside chance the storm comes up the coast...

The satellite and radar trends the day before looked like it was coming up the coast. But all the models were OTS. Imagine if when NYC had their heaviest snowstorm in January 2016 the models all had no snow the day before. This is what happened at RDU when they got their record 20.3” on 1-25-00. 

https://projects.ncsu.edu/atmos_collaboration/nwsfo/storage/cases/20000125/

[donsutherland1]

With strong cold air advection, temperatures remained mainly in the 30s across the region today. High temperatures included:

Boston: 35°
Bridgeport: 36°
Islip: 37°
New York City: 36°
Newark: 38°
Philadelphia: 40°

In the West, Phoenix set a record high temperature of 89° (old record: 88°, 2008) and Tucson reached a record 91° (old record: 86°, 1990 and 2019).

Tomorrow will get off to a cold start, but readings should rebound to well into the 40s during the afternoon. Afterward, temperatures will continue to rapidly moderate. Most of the remaining days this month could see readings near or above normal with some short-lived cool shots possible. December could see above to perhaps much above normal temperatures redevelop during the first week of the month.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.3°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -1.0°C for the week centered around November 11. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.98°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -1.44°C. La Niña conditions will likely prevail at least through the winter.

The SOI was +20.10.

Today, the preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was +1.970.

On November 17 the MJO was in Phase 2 at an amplitude of 1.682 (RMM). The November 16-adjusted amplitude was 1.564.

Based on the latest guidance, no significant stratospheric warming event is likely through at least November 25. The lack of such warming could favor the gradual strengthening of the stratospheric polar vortex. A strong polar vortex, which is favored on the long-range guidance, could have implications for the opening of meteorological winter.

Since 1950, there have been five cases where a La Niña developed during June-July-August or afterward following an El Niño winter. 4/5 (80%) of those cases saw a predominant EPO+/AO+ winter pattern. The most recent such case was 2016-17. 10/11 (91%) of the La Niña winters that followed an El Niño winter featured a predominantly positive EPO. A predominant EPO+/AO+ pattern is very likely for winter 2020-21. It is likely that the Middle Atlantic and southern New England areas will see a warmer than normal winter with below normal snowfall. The November run of the seasonal European guidance suggests that winter 2020-21 will likely be warmer to much warmer than normal in the region.

The potential also exists for below to much below normal seasonal snowfall in the Middle Atlantic and southern New England areas. Since 1970, there were 9 winters that saw the AO and EPO average +0.25 or above. Mean snowfall for Boston, Harrisburg, New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington, DC averaged 50% of the most recent 30-season mean. The largest snowfall deficits relative to the most recent 30-season mean figure were located in the Philadelphia to New York City corridor. In addition, 33% of cases saw less than 10" seasonal snowfall in New York City and 44% saw less than 10" seasonal snowfall in Philadelphia.

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 94% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal November. November will likely finish with a mean temperature near 51.0°.