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5 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mnuchin-pulls-plug-on-some-coronavirus-emergency-lending-programs-over-feds-objections-11605826491?mod=home-page
 

Seems to me Treasury wants the 455 billion back so they can use it toward a stimulus IMO ASAP 
 

Those fed programs were barely being used if I recall correctly , the Fed was not initiating small business loans at all to keep business going W these programs and if they state they wanted them “in case” I have no idea what case they were waiting for to initiate the loan programs but they were way 2 stringent W those particular credit facilities and were holding up 455 B.

My boss knew about this but it finally came to realization yesterday, he has to pay taxes on the PPP money he took to the tune of 38%.:raining:

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18 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

My boss knew about this but it finally came to realization yesterday, he has to pay taxes on the PPP money he took to the tune of 38%.:raining:

 He didn’t have to pay back the loan principal itself did he?

I believe as long as so much% was used toward payroll and perhaps “rent” they were more like grants 

Just for clarity (not with you ) but anyone else , The PPP program isn’t what the Treasury just killed , they killed a under used Fed lending facility to small businesses that was not initiating loans and dying businesses don’t want or need regular loans , they need more PPP lending (which isn’t paid back)

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1 minute ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

 He didn’t have to pay back the loan principal itself did he?

I believe as long as so much% was used toward payroll and perhaps “rent” they were more like grants 

Just for clarity (not with you ) but anyone else , The PPP program isn’t what the Treasury just killed , they killed a under used Fed lending facility to small businesses that was not initiating loans 

No.  As long as it was used for payroll, he was all set.

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57 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I don’t think many teachers want to go full person and supported remote. 

I could tell you there was a significant divide , basically similar to the general public . Thou there were more general willingness to go back in person for youngest kids but still a ton of disagreements .

Reason being almost every single teacher new the level of education via various studies the kids were getting via remote would be (poor) and  Not pretty good or decent (for elementary specifically) but well below average ..but also dependent on kids attention spans and teachers working themselves to death putting extra effort into transforming lesson plans on line in exciting and effective  ways .  Also, that kids with poor attention spans or from lower income (where mom/ day can’t work from home  ) would basically be left behind . That will break many teachers hearts.

So often it came down to teachers age , outstanding health risks , and interaction with older family that couldn’t be avoided ..were factors in the teachers I spoke with who were concerned . 

Some of the teachers who were very well off and concerned simply took the year off,  however given Revenue shortfalls coming and subsequent budget cuts and lack of a stimulus so far ..hopefully they can be rehired next year, but that is up in the air .


 

 

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16 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

I could tell you there was a significant divide , basically similar to the general public . Thou there were more general willingness to go back in person for youngest kids but still a ton of disagreements .

Reason being almost every single teacher new the level of education via various studies the kids were getting via remote would be (poor) and  Not pretty good or decent (for elementary specifically) but well below average ..but also dependent on kids attention spans and teachers working themselves to death putting extra effort into transforming lesson plans on line in exciting and effective  ways .  Also, that kids with poor attention spans or from lower income (where mom/ day can’t work from home  ) would basically be left behind . That will break many teachers hearts.

So often it came down to teachers age , outstanding health risks , and interaction with older family that couldn’t be avoided ..were factors in the teachers I spoke with who were concerned . 

Some of the teachers who were very well off and concerned simply took the year off,  however given Revenue shortfalls coming and subsequent budget cuts and lack of a stimulus so far ..hopefully they can be rehired next year, but that is up in the air .


 

 

There's been more reluctance to have elementary school age kids go remote here. We've seen the high schools be more willing to cancel in-person and go remote if a case pops up vs the younger kids. It makes sense as the younger kids are hurt more by remote and they can't do it from home by themselves like high schoolers can....they obviously need a parent home. As someone once said, there are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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7 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

We’re not allowed to post how other countries are faring with covid? 

Nope,  That's out of the realm of New England.  We want to keep the discussion as it pertains to here as much as possible.

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It's surprising how many people who are not teachers nor directly involved in education know so much about how teachers feel about in-person vs. remote teaching. It's also interesting how much people who have never really been involved with teachers' unions know about their activities.

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31 minutes ago, Cold Miser said:

Do it again, and you will get a 30 day ban. Bob is getting restless.
 

I'm ruthless.  I toss out suspensions like Pez dispenser.

18 minutes ago, correnjim1 said:

i hear Asgard is getting hit pretty hard oops lol

Thor's not around to save it.

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4 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I'm ruthless.  I toss out suspensions like Pez dispenser.

Thor's not around to save it.

May we always retain an S of H, stay well all. As always .....

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10 minutes ago, NECT said:

It's surprising how many people who are not teachers nor directly involved in education know so much about how teachers feel about in-person vs. remote teaching. It's also interesting how much people who have never really been involved with teachers' unions know about their activities.

It’s not hard to know much about teachers unions. They have been plastered all over the news for months.

The president of the MTA has been a vocal opponent to any sort of in person learning. Hybrid, reduced class sizes, even teachers going into empty buildings to zoom from their classrooms. 
 

This is fact not opinion. Like I said, I don’t know the thoughts of the 100,000+ union members... but the leader, and most vocal member, has been vehemently opposed to any sort of return.

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Mass Hospitalizations have increased from 588 to 917 in last 10 days .

That data is pretty  much in line with daily case number rise from 17 days to 7 days ago (there is approx a week lag between the ave. person testing positive and those of them that require hospitalization) .

The 6 metrics just released this week (which are updated on Wednesday and Saturday) look like a very good comprehensive list of where the area stands with regard to the virus impacts , especially at hospitals. 

While Hospitalizations have ramped up in last 10 days ..the percent of available ICU beds seems to have not moved..Which i find  odd ...thou those probably have a general lag over hospitalizations...But it's odd  they haven't moved much in last  2 weeks.

If you take Walsh at his word, It's clear they don't want to Roll back much further.unless forced to.. perhaps due to the lasting economic damage that is cumulative and beginning to seriously strain revenue and create a ton of budget cut anxiety?

Will be interesting to follow the hospitalization data and how it correlates of not with daily rising cases.

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/11/18/new-boston-coronavirus-metrics

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1 hour ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

It’s not hard to know much about teachers unions. They have been plastered all over the news for months.

The president of the MTA has been a vocal opponent to any sort of in person learning. Hybrid, reduced class sizes, even teachers going into empty buildings to zoom from their classrooms. 
 

This is fact not opinion. Like I said, I don’t know the thoughts of the 100,000+ union members... but the leader, and most vocal member, has been vehemently opposed to any sort of return.

She is kinda a db imho...      

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21 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

She is kinda a db imho...      

Did you go on the statewide meetings back in August? My wife was on a couple of them and it seemed like the elementary school teachers in particular were pushing back a lot on the "100% remote learning, no compromises" type solution she was hammering home. At the end of the day, the district union reps seem to do more of the negotiating anyways, but it seemed weird that she was out of touch with a lot of the union base on that.

Like, the teachers were absolutely concerned about safety, but so many were saying "we need to find a way to get into the classroom but safely"....esp the teachers of younger kids. For high schoolers, it felt a little less urgent.

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8 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Did you go on the statewide meetings back in August? My wife was on a couple of them and it seemed like the elementary school teachers in particular were pushing back a lot on the "100% remote learning, no compromises" type solution she was hammering home. At the end of the day, the district union reps seem to do more of the negotiating anyways, but it seemed weird that she was out of touch with a lot of the union base on that.

Like, the teachers were absolutely concerned about safety, but so many were saying "we need to find a way to get into the classroom but safely"....esp the teachers of younger kids. For high schoolers, it felt a little less urgent.

About 80% of my Gf's constituents were pushing back ..she teaches 3'rd grade. .there were  2 i know personally who have significant medical issues (personally and with a spouse) that caused them to balk at any kind of  in person learning. One is completely fine( made peace with it) .. she went back (she is Italian and  would let everyone know otherwise)  and one took the year off at her husbands urging.  There was another 2 who wanted remote but then when they had to either go back in and teach remotely or go back in for hybrid (or not get paid) they came around to hybrid.  They told my GF ( who worked with them initially in teaching groups that  when they went back and interacted with humans again... their anxiety went way down and are comfortable in the classroom now, but obviously they want the cleanest conditions possible 

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51 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Mass Hospitalizations have increased from 588 to 917 in last 10 days .

That data is pretty  much in line with daily case number rise from 17 days to 7 days ago (there is approx a week lag between the ave. person testing positive and those of them that require hospitalization) .

The 6 metrics just released this week (which are updated on Wednesday and Saturday) look like a very good comprehensive list of where the area stands with regard to the virus impacts , especially at hospitals. 

While Hospitalizations have ramped up in last 10 days ..the percent of available ICU beds seems to have not moved..Which i find  odd ...thou those probably have a general lag over hospitalizations...But it's odd  they haven't moved much in last  2 weeks.

If you take Walsh at his word, It's clear they don't want to Roll back much further.unless forced to.. perhaps due to the lasting economic damage that is cumulative and beginning to seriously strain revenue and create a ton of budget cut anxiety?

Will be interesting to follow the hospitalization data and how it correlates of not with daily rising cases.

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/11/18/new-boston-coronavirus-metrics

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18 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

About 80% of my Gf's constituents were pushing back ..she teaches 3'rd grade. .there were  2 i know personally who have significant medical issues (personally and with a spouse) that caused them to balk at any kind of  in person learning. One is completely fine( made peace with it) .. she went back (she is Italian and  would let everyone know otherwise)  and one took the year off at her husbands urging.  There was another 2 who wanted remote but then when they had to either go back in and teach remotely or go back in for hybrid (or not get paid) they came around to hybrid.  They told my GF ( who worked with them initially in teaching groups that  when they went back and interacted with humans again... their anxiety went way down and are comfortable in the classroom now, but obviously they want the cleanest conditions possible 

I figured any GF you had would have been retired for many years by now. :lol:

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31 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Did you go on the statewide meetings back in August? My wife was on a couple of them and it seemed like the elementary school teachers in particular were pushing back a lot on the "100% remote learning, no compromises" type solution she was hammering home. At the end of the day, the district union reps seem to do more of the negotiating anyways, but it seemed weird that she was out of touch with a lot of the union base on that.

Like, the teachers were absolutely concerned about safety, but so many were saying "we need to find a way to get into the classroom but safely"....esp the teachers of younger kids. For high schoolers, it felt a little less urgent.

No... I knew what was going to happen regardless of what they said.     Our union has been working pretty well with admin for this.  We are basically ****ed due to staff cuts, and the switching back and forth of models due to rising Covid.     Just need to get through this year.             

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26 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

About 80% of my Gf's constituents were pushing back ..she teaches 3'rd grade. .there were  2 i know personally who have significant medical issues (personally and with a spouse) that caused them to balk at any kind of  in person learning. One is completely fine( made peace with it) .. she went back (she is Italian and  would let everyone know otherwise)  and one took the year off at her husbands urging.  There was another 2 who wanted remote but then when they had to either go back in and teach remotely or go back in for hybrid (or not get paid) they came around to hybrid.  They told my GF ( who worked with them initially in teaching groups that  when they went back and interacted with humans again... their anxiety went way down and are comfortable in the classroom now, but obviously they want the cleanest conditions possible 

Our hybrid has been working well so far, but soooo many parents have been pulling their kids for remote, which now means the remote "classes" are getting huge, so other teachers are now being pulled from hybrid to teach remote.  I have been informed that in a couple of weeks I also will be teaching a section of social studies...lol   That should be fun.

After today, we are all remote for 2 weeks, and the hope is to come back for hybrid.  I doubt that happens before January  :(  

 

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45 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Did you go on the statewide meetings back in August? My wife was on a couple of them and it seemed like the elementary school teachers in particular were pushing back a lot on the "100% remote learning, no compromises" type solution she was hammering home. At the end of the day, the district union reps seem to do more of the negotiating anyways, but it seemed weird that she was out of touch with a lot of the union base on that.

Like, the teachers were absolutely concerned about safety, but so many were saying "we need to find a way to get into the classroom but safely"....esp the teachers of younger kids. For high schoolers, it felt a little less urgent.

That’s the problem with the most public figure on the issue and really the only voice being heard being her. It came off as totally ridiculous and combative.

I mean, she was vehemently opposed to teachers going to empty classrooms to zoom from the same setup everyday. I mean at that point, to me, you’ve overplayed your hand.

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2 hours ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I'm ruthless.  I toss out suspensions like Pez dispenser.

Thor's not around to save it.

I miss the days of the bans. They were hot and heavy for a while back around 2011 and 2012 if I recall. Some good battles back then.

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I’m great full for a small parochial school. Ours haven’t missed a beat. Face to face so far. We picked up about 40 kids from surrounding towns because we were in school from the start. 
We don’t take special Ed so there’s that too that we don’t have to deal with it. 
I feel for you folks that have or teach special needs. 

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35 minutes ago, Cold Miser said:

I miss the days of the bans. They were hot and heavy for a while back around 2011 and 2012 if I recall. Some good battles back then.

I'm too old now to GAF. 

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45 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

I’m great full for a small parochial school. Ours haven’t missed a beat. Face to face so far. We picked up about 40 kids from surrounding towns because we were in school from the start. 
We don’t take special Ed so there’s that too that we don’t have to deal with it. 
I feel for you folks that have or teach special needs. 

The church I belong to has a small school. Used to be much larger.   They reached their capacity this year with people wanting their kids to go.  It used to kinda suck.  But smaller class sizes, no MCAS. 

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Sister, brother in law and their two kids are positive with COVID 19.  The kids just have runny noses, my sister has a bad head cold and no sense of taste... coffee tastes like water.  That’s why they got tested.

Test results in New York took her 6 days to get a result, beating my 5 days in VT to get a result.  They’ve not left their house since last weekend and have another week to go at least.

Now both of my sisters have had it.  Both work in healthcare so not surprising.

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