December Discussion II

[weathafella]

1 minute ago, Damage In Tolland said:

My God Pickles just had a complete meltdown today . Post after post .. With a snow event modeled Xmas Eve and several possible events in the days leading up to NY.

He needs to go to Valdez.  The Alaska women await his entry....

[Ginx snewx]

31 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Select year-to-date precipitation and 2018’s rank among the wettest years:

Ashburnham, MA: 62.24” (4)
Blue Hill, MA: 64.44” (5)
Boston: 51.93” (15)
Bridgeport: 56.30” (6)
Brockton, MA: 62.85” (4)
Concord: 51.20” (6)
Danbury: 58.33” (13)
Franklin, MA: 66.46” (2)
Hartford: 59.18” (7)
Hyannis: 55.21” (5)
Manchester: 50.21” (10)
Milton, MA: 64.44” (5)
Nashua (2 NNW), NH: 54.92” (7)
Norfolk (2 SW), CT: 63.84” (8)
Portland: 50.51” (28)
Providence: 60.32” (3)
Rochester, MA: 69.21” (2)
Storrs, CT: 62.46” (6)
Woonsocket, RI: 65.90” (1)
Worcester: 59.62” (5)
Worthington, MA: 68.47” (4)

 

 

Cocorahs is an excellent source of data, lacking historical perspective but more reliable than ASOS

[CoastalWx]

You know it’s bad when the upslope guys have ventured into their place of safety....Just PF, Jspin, and Alex. Tamarack gets an honorable mention since his pack never takes a hit. 

[Damage In Tolland]

7 minutes ago, weathafella said:

He needs to go to Valdez.  The Alaska women await his entry....

He’s just off the deep end in what’s not a bad looking pattern Xmas on

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

4 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

He’s just off the deep end in what’s not a bad looking pattern Xmas on

Not the 20th onward anymore?

[STILL N OF PIKE]

5 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

He’s just off the deep end in what’s not a bad looking pattern Xmas on

I’m on meds and awaiting your well wishes for this recovery 

u have seemed pretty down lately

[Damage In Tolland]

Just now, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

Not the 20th onward anymore?

You had a small melt this morning yes 

[Typhoon Tip]

32 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Nice disco John.  I notes the stratosphere the other day. I do wonder if we can constructively manifest itself down like we did last year. Also, we are seeing a standing wave develop near 135 E as a result of easterlies at 850. That's more Nina vs Nino. One think this should go away?

interesting...

I keep coming back to a notion; maybe the present era is warm saturated ( ... not GW per se..) in such away that the 'normal' gradient trigger points are sort of moved up the dial. 

Regardless of that hypothetical ... I don't think we are seeing the standard forcing that we typically do, by this time in an average winter, for this sort of stage in the ENSO game. I wonder if odd features like 135 E are what happens in voids.  Ha, it's like so horribly not anything, we're exposing the canvas.

 

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

14 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

You had a small melt this morning yes 

Was a simple question but yes....I melt, you melt, we all melt. 

[CoastalWx]

I took my frustrations out in the Pats thread so all is well.

[SouthCoastMA]

40 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

You know it’s bad when the upslope guys have ventured into their place of safety....Just PF, Jspin, and Alex. Tamarack gets an honorable mention since his pack never takes a hit. 

Not applicable now, but another honorable mention is Dryslot giving Euro updates. It's an easy way for me to know that I'm not getting snow. 

[78Blizzard]

58 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I have noted this multiple times, but KBOS really stands out low on the precip front. Almost every year. I don't see that as coincidence, but I'm not sure what it could be other than issues with instrumentation.  I would need to see other sites, but you have some samples not far from the city.

It really is suspicious when towns within 25 miles of the city show 10-15 inches more. 

[powderfreak]

1 hour ago, CoastalWx said:

You know it’s bad when the upslope guys have ventured into their place of safety....Just PF, Jspin, and Alex. Tamarack gets an honorable mention since his pack never takes a hit. 

lol I feel like it's gotten to the point that NO ONE wants to hear it's snowing here, ha.  

I know all want to read the BTV AFD about locally 8-10" in the mountains.

This thread is for the melts.

[CoastalWx]

6 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

lol I feel like it's gotten to the point that NO ONE wants to hear it's snowing here, ha.  

I know all want to read the BTV AFD about locally 8-10" in the mountains.

LOL. Most appreciate your enthusiasm. Hell I would too if I had that machine kick in behind fropas. Looks solid up there for warning amounts near the mtns.

[Ginx snewx]

8 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

lol I feel like it's gotten to the point that NO ONE wants to hear it's snowing here, ha.  

I know all want to read the BTV AFD about locally 8-10" in the mountains.

This thread is for the melts.

Just keep loading up Freak and all of NNE, we need the cover up there for selfish reasons down here

[kdxken]

1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

Select year-to-date precipitation and 2018’s rank among the wettest years:

Ashburnham, MA: 62.24” (4)
Blue Hill, MA: 64.44” (5)
Boston: 51.93” (15)
Bridgeport: 56.30” (6)
Brockton, MA: 62.85” (4)
Concord: 51.20” (6)
Danbury: 58.33” (13)
Franklin, MA: 66.46” (2)
Hartford: 59.18” (7)
Hyannis: 55.21” (5)
Manchester: 50.21” (10)
Milton, MA: 64.44” (5)
Nashua (2 NNW), NH: 54.92” (7)
Norfolk (2 SW), CT: 63.84” (8)
Portland: 50.51” (28)
Providence: 60.32” (3)
Rochester, MA: 69.21” (2)
Storrs, CT: 62.46” (6)
Woonsocket, RI: 65.90” (1)
Worcester: 59.62” (5)
Worthington, MA: 68.47” (4)

 

 

 Awesome Don ! thank you and have a nice Christmas ! 

[tnt]

9 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

lol I feel like it's gotten to the point that NO ONE wants to hear it's snowing here, ha.  

I know all want to read the BTV AFD about locally 8-10" in the mountains.

This thread is for the melts.

looks like our family trip will miss by 5 days.  

Oh well.  Packing the garbage bags and planning to surf Goat in the rain before everything freezes sunday.  Yeehaw!!!!!!!

[OceanStWx]

25 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said:

It really is suspicious when towns within 25 miles of the city show 10-15 inches more. 

I'm not sure what is suspicious about it at all. It's an automated reporting station that doesn't perform especially well in high winds and snow (BOS has both). Backyard Coop stations tend to have much lighter winds than the center of the Tarmac, and thus higher precipitation totals for the year. Even if you are only talking about a 10% undercatch at BOS, that could easily be 5+ inches over the course of the year.

[donsutherland1]

9 minutes ago, kdxken said:

 Awesome Don ! thank you and have a nice Christmas ! 

Thanks. Have a great holiday season, too.

[alex]

1 hour ago, CoastalWx said:

You know it’s bad when the upslope guys have ventured into their place of safety....Just PF, Jspin, and Alex. Tamarack gets an honorable mention since his pack never takes a hit. 

LOL!!! Like PF, I don't want to be annoying. Some want to know what's doing up here because they have an interest, whether be skiing or sledding or just to live vicariously through others. Some just get annoyed. The NNE thread seems like a better place! I'm the type that roots for snow for everyone. I was in Tahoe and got back this morning, and I hate to see no snowcover so far North into NH on the drive up. Being obsessed with weather is a heartbreaking condition - and I certainly have it. It was a big part of my desire to move up here and a key reason for choosing this specific location vs somewhere like North Conway (business reasons aside). Even if we torch with cutters, just like we WILL torch this coming week, this area just gets so many more opportunities for snow even in crappy patterns that it never feels so bad. There always seems to be something around the corner. So I don't really like rubbing it in when it's snowing up here and everyone else has to deal with this hideous pattern. 

[CoastalWx]

21 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

I'm not sure what is suspicious about it at all. It's an automated reporting station that doesn't perform especially well in high winds and snow (BOS has both). Backyard Coop stations tend to have much lighter winds than the center of the Tarmac, and thus higher precipitation totals for the year. Even if you are only talking about a 10% undercatch at BOS, that could easily be 5+ inches over the course of the year.

I think that’s what he means. It’s a lot of undercatch. I only noticed this for Boston, but I’m sure it’s everywhere. 

[Ginx snewx]

21 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

I'm not sure what is suspicious about it at all. It's an automated reporting station that doesn't perform especially well in high winds and snow (BOS has both). Backyard Coop stations tend to have much lighter winds than the center of the Tarmac, and thus higher precipitation totals for the year. Even if you are only talking about a 10% undercatch at BOS, that could easily be 5+ inches over the course of the year.

How do they account for SWE without an observer, drifting snow, wind whipped snow. ASOS is great for wind and temps.

[78Blizzard]

18 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

I'm not sure what is suspicious about it at all. It's an automated reporting station that doesn't perform especially well in high winds and snow (BOS has both). Backyard Coop stations tend to have much lighter winds than the center of the Tarmac, and thus higher precipitation totals for the year. Even if you are only talking about a 10% undercatch at BOS, that could easily be 5+ inches over the course of the year.

I tend to agree with that explanation.  However, as I understand it, The NWS continues to operate an ASOS at the Blue Hill Observatory.  The winds there are comparable to those at Logan.  Wouldn't they have the same problem?

[CoastalWx]

8 minutes ago, alex said:

LOL!!! Like PF, I don't want to be annoying. Some want to know what's doing up here because they have an interest, whether be skiing or sledding or just to live vicariously through others. Some just get annoyed. The NNE thread seems like a better place! I'm the type that roots for snow for everyone. I was in Tahoe and got back this morning, and I hate to see no snowcover so far North into NH on the drive up. Being obsessed with weather is a heartbreaking condition - and I certainly have it. It was a big part of my desire to move up here and a key reason for choosing this specific location vs somewhere like North Conway (business reasons aside). Even if we torch with cutters, just like we WILL torch this coming week, this area just gets so many more opportunities for snow even in crappy patterns that it never feels so bad. There always seems to be something around the corner. So I don't really like rubbing it in when it's snowing up here and everyone else has to deal with this hideous pattern. 

Nah you shouldn’t feel that way. People may joke, but be loud and proud. Hell I would. 

[CoastalWx]

Just now, 78Blizzard said:

I tend to agree with that explanation.  However, as I understand it, The NWS continues to operate an ASOS at the Blue Hill Observatory.  The winds there are comparable to those at Logan.  Wouldn't they have the same problem?

The observatory isn’t really an ASOS as I understand it. They don’t have instrumentation to detect cigs and vis. Also, I’m pretty sure they may gather rain data from other gauges. I’m not 100% sure though.  The anemometers are on top of the observatory building. 

[alex]

10 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Nah you shouldn’t feel that way. People may joke, but be loud and proud. Hell I would. 

LOL! Thanks.  

[OceanStWx]

28 minutes ago, alex said:

LOL!!! Like PF, I don't want to be annoying. Some want to know what's doing up here because they have an interest, whether be skiing or sledding or just to live vicariously through others. Some just get annoyed. The NNE thread seems like a better place! I'm the type that roots for snow for everyone. I was in Tahoe and got back this morning, and I hate to see no snowcover so far North into NH on the drive up. Being obsessed with weather is a heartbreaking condition - and I certainly have it. It was a big part of my desire to move up here and a key reason for choosing this specific location vs somewhere like North Conway (business reasons aside). Even if we torch with cutters, just like we WILL torch this coming week, this area just gets so many more opportunities for snow even in crappy patterns that it never feels so bad. There always seems to be something around the corner. So I don't really like rubbing it in when it's snowing up here and everyone else has to deal with this hideous pattern. 

You were snowing with clear skies last week!

[OceanStWx]

15 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

The observatory isn’t really an ASOS as I understand it. They don’t have instrumentation to detect cigs and vis. Also, I’m pretty sure they may gather rain data from other gauges. I’m not 100% sure though.  The anemometers are on top of the observatory building. 

 

18 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said:

I tend to agree with that explanation.  However, as I understand it, The NWS continues to operate an ASOS at the Blue Hill Observatory.  The winds there are comparable to those at Logan.  Wouldn't they have the same problem?

Yeah, they operate like MWN or a Coop does. They may even take some measurements manually, but they definitely use Davis vs. ASOS equipment.

[CoastalWx]

Weeklies look better week 3 and darn nice week 4.  Better than last update. 

[leo2000]

Winters are not like they used to be. There was never rain in winter 20 plus years ago. All there was in winter back then was snow. No freezing rain either.