Ian Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 1-1.75" looks like the range for lower parts of Fairfax and Montgomery County, so I guess many parts of DC "caught up" to the closer suburbs.Right up at the Cathedral I get at least 1.75" everywhere. Fairly solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraff Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Looks all done here. Nothing official, but I take back my 2.5 thought. Probably more like 2ish. When do we do this again? I'm ready... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow. Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 With a bit of rounding, the CWG forecast actually verified for much of the area. It was too high east and inside the beltway, but we should have been ok with no more than 2". I know it's just a weird quirk over one inch, but I think people here would have been much less disappointed if the forecast was 1-4" instead of 2-5". perhaps, though I thought 2-5" was too big of a range, esp when using boom/bust hedges....they either should have gone 2-4" or 3-5" or divided up the 2-5" area....imo....otherwise for purposes of verification, a 1" or 6" total is a just miss and fits into a pretty large hedge percentage...I thought it was too much of a cover all bases forecast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow. Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Right up at the Cathedral I get at least 1.75" everywhere. Fairly solid. I may have gotten more on my roof then, but not going to go home and check...my temp was higher so may not have mattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MN Transplant Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 My CoCoRaHS ob is 1.7". Temps slowly falling now. 33.4 after 33.9 as the high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 before I forget, I should probably put the 1.5" I received in the last 2 event in my sig I'm up to 1.2 for the year. Still no pure snow event, not even flurries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 When does it get cold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 When does it get cold... Yeah, have good snow cover now. Let's lock this stuff in for a week. Hate to see it dripping at 32.5 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Yeah, have good snow cover now. Let's lock this stuff in for a week. Hate to see it dripping at 32.5 degrees. When I was shoveling it reminded me of the Feb 2006 storm..drip drip drip...I could just wait and it would have melted. Might mean more ice tomorrow. I still say the fog last night messed everything up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 We had decent rates throughout the storm here. The problem was temps. The road/sidewalks would get covered in mod-heavier rates but once it let up it would clear and then repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnis Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 When I was shoveling it reminded me of the Feb 2006 storm..drip drip drip...I could just wait and it would have melted. Might mean more ice tomorrow. I still say the fog last night messed everything up I was thinking the same thing about the fog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 2.3" snow here, currently 34.5*, total of 2.5-3" on ground including prior event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 1.5" (I probably wound up getting a bit more than that before melting/compacting. We had a period of rain before the final push came through). Trees losing a lot of the snow that accumulated on them earlier. With all things considered, I can't be too disappointed I guess considering its still mid-December. Half the fun for me is tracking the storms and waking up early on 'storm day' to await the precip. I just wish we could have gotten 3" with this storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow. Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'm up to 1.2 for the year. Still no pure snow event, not even flurries. that isn't surprising for a bad pattern, esp in december...most of our events are that way anyway..unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 that isn't surprising for a bad pattern, esp in december...most of our events are that way anyway..unfortunately It's not and it is a bad pattern. Those that are happy about the cold vortex in Canada don't get it. You can get nickle and dime events, especially mixed ones cause you get cold shots but you won't get an 8 incher and will have trouble getting a 6 incher in the city. The valley folk and FDK are a different story. They can do OK, for us, we need a pattern change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's not and it is a bad pattern. Those that are happy about the cold vortex in Canada don't get it. You can get nickle and dime events, especially mixed ones cause you get cold shots but you won't get an 8 incher and will have trouble getting a 6 incher in the city. The valley folk and FDK are a different story. They can do OK, for us, we need a pattern change. Pretty much. But there's no need for anyone in DC proper to be panicking. If we're sitting here in mid February saying we need a pattern change...panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'm panicking because we can't get a 2" event anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow. Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's not and it is a bad pattern. Those that are happy about the cold vortex in Canada don't get it. You can get nickle and dime events, especially mixed ones cause you get cold shots but you won't get an 8 incher and will have trouble getting a 6 incher in the city. The valley folk and FDK are a different story. They can do OK, for us, we need a pattern change. as you said before...we pretty much want the near opposite of the pattern we have..pos height anomalies where we have neg ones and vice versa..the only real plus to the pattern has been the cold air...which let many of us down today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtropics Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Sun angle has nothing to do with what transpired today, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxMan1 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's not and it is a bad pattern. Those that are happy about the cold vortex in Canada don't get it. You can get nickle and dime events, especially mixed ones cause you get cold shots but you won't get an 8 incher and will have trouble getting a 6 incher in the city. The valley folk and FDK are a different story. They can do OK, for us, we need a pattern change. Agreed. In '09-'10, location wasn't as much of an issue north of 38N. Heck, I imagine the areas E-SE of DC did just as well with the big 3 storms given the degree of cyclogenesis off the coast. But in flatter patterns, yes, the I-70 corridor and points north are going to do better. I'll have to keep that in mind when my lease runs out and it's time to relocate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 that isn't surprising for a bad pattern, esp in december...most of our events are that way anyway..unfortunately Matt, you ought to start a postmortem thread on the storm probably get some good insights from all the forum mets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraff Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Sun angle has nothing to do with what transpired today, folks. Exactly right. It was the hype and naming of the storm by the Weather Channel that killed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 It certainly was the winner once it caught up. So much for it not being good inside of 24 hrs. I always cringe a bit when CWG pokes the NWS as they have a tough job. As a reporter that's Jason's job but as an ex-NWS guy I know how hard most of us agonize about forecasts. I'm not sure what I would have done concerning a warning given the expected timing of the storm. 2 to 5 with a big burst at rush hour could have really messed things up. The twitter statement criticizing offering scenarios is kind of lame. You need to somehow convey which parts of the forecast you are most certain about. I will say the high resolution model stuff while pretty offered little. Good points. It's always easy to second guess someone else's forecast after the fact and the NWS is a huge target for that. Always has been and always will be. Contrary to some belief, the NWS is not in competition with the private sector, even tho the private sector wants folks to believe that at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 even Hartford, CT is 34 degrees with light snow http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KHFD.html cold air was mia up and down the coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mitchnick Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 nice picks JI....you can't even see the tracks with those trees you planted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow. Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Good points. It's always easy to second guess someone else's forecast after the fact and the NWS is a huge target for that. Always has been and always will be. Contrary to some belief, the NWS is not in competition with the private sector, even tho the private sector wants folks to believe that at times. I am a huge CWG supporter, especially the way they forecast. But 20% - T-2", 50% - 2-5", and 30% 5"+ is not really a forecast to me.. I do appreciate the idea behind it. But painting a big swath of significant uncertainty over a large area on a map is not helpful. It conveys that there is a reasonable chance of getting a T - 8", and there is a 50% chance it willl fall somewhere in the middle. That doesn't really tell me much. I agree with conveying uncertainty, but there are better ways to do it...or just don't put out a map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'm panicking because we can't get a 2" event anymore Take the 40oz out of its paper bag and breath slowly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I am a huge CWG supporter, especially the way they forecast. But 20% - T-2", 50% - 2-5", and 30% 5"+ is not really a forecast to me.. I do appreciate the idea behind it. But painting a big swath of significant uncertainty over a large area on a map is not helpful. It conveys that there is a reasonable chance of getting a T - 8", and there is a 50% chance it willl fall somewhere in the middle. That doesn't really tell me much. I agree with conveying uncertainty, but there are better ways to do it...or just don't put out a map. I didn't know LWX was putting out probabilistic maps for SF. I'm not sure the public can gain much from those except confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow. Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I didn't know LWX was putting out probabilistic maps for SF. I'm not sure the public can gain much from those except confusion. Capital Weather gang...not LWX...Putting out a nonstandard broad range is a little bit brazen itself...but then saying there is a 50% chance you miss the range...I don't get it...and it is very very rare I disagree with the way CWG forecasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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