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The scary part is….its only a matter of time before it happens again. Maybe we don’t live to see it happen again…but it most certainly will.

80 here dp 70.

It was 48 this morning.

Yes perhaps, but one would also need to include the costs for lower lifespan of solar and wind, the costs for recycling the very hard-to-recycle materials, the environmental costs of the things that can't be recycled (e.g. carbon-fiber blades), the costs for acquiring the land (including the huge amount of community-by-community fights that inevitably happens), the environmental costs of dead and disturbed wildlife (how to quantify?), and of cleared balsa forests, the cost for additional land and steel required for additional transmission lines, etc. etc. Also keeping in mind that this does not scale linearly. As the scale of projects get larger and larger (e.g. Spanberger's proposal for 277,000 acres of solar in Virginia), it drives the costs of material - e.g. silver for solar panels - up, due to their relative scarcity. These things are not nearly as simple as people make them out to be, due to the immense amount of factors, which is why you have to look at the bigger picture, such as what's been happening in Europe (and to a smaller extent the US). I mean - just step back and think about it. Electricity prices (especially in Europe) have been rising - faster than inflation. Is it because of rising oil prices? No - it can't be, because we don't use oil for generating electricity. Is it because of the price of coal? No - that's generally been flat (save for a big spike in 2022) since 2008 https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coal-prices. Is it because of the price of Natural gas? No - that's been *down* the last couple of decades: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/rngwhhdm.htm. Why then? Why have electricity prices been going up so much? Is it just coincidence that it happens to be happening at the same time as we've pushing for replacement of fossil plants with renewable? No. Keep in mind that this is *despite* the money that's been flowing into the renewable energy industry, vis a vis our taxes. Without that electricity prices would be even higher. (and lest one be tempted to blame the price increase on increased demand from AI and data centers - keep in mind that the electricity prices started getting higher long before that recent demand spike) P.S. that Fresh Energy link is from what is essentially a renewable energy lobbying organization - extremely biased. The EIA link doesn't really provide any useful information for the conversation.

Ugh!

Enjoy it while we can.

2021 and 2023 were warm in October and cool in November before torching in December. Then again, those were -QBO years, with 2021 being a la nina. 2023 was a strong nino. If I remember correctly, 2015 had a very warm late August and September. October was the odd cool month in the bunch.

Currently 81° with a 67° DP…summers revenge .

He can’t help himself. Lol

Yeah whenever I left Asheville this morning it was 54 degrees there. A big difference but Asheville sucks. Sorry guys lol.

Every day that I don't have to burn $6/gal oil is a win.

How can one not have faith and trust a snowy forecast from someone named SnowbirdBob?!!

...only idiots want to experience a repeat of 38. I'd like to know how many people here have taken the time to read the fine print in their homeowners insurance policy. I guarantee most people here have done little in the way of preparation for a storm of that magnitude. ..the butter knives in the draw are sure going to scare off looters..lol...perhaps they can toss some acorns at them to scare them off..

Days in the 70's are common for mid October..Now if it's like this in late November,that would suck

A good indication will be late October and early November, that's when the torch began leading to that insane Decmber month..Lets see if we see that in a few weeks

Lock that in for winter

I'm sure they'll be winter weather sometime between late November and late March. Just expect much of the winter to have temps above normal. Probably lots of rain.

Nowhere in that post did I say as warm as 2015, I said “the strongest warm December signal since 2015”

Yeah, there are years when you just sniff out a warm December. 2015, 2021, and 2023 were pretty obvious. The Weather Channel had these predicted months in advance. This year looks like that way as well. 2026 would make it the 4 warmest Decembers ever in 12 years.

A +12 month with Christmas Day at 70..I doubt we see that but who knows?