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I don't even care about other parts of the country. Has no bearing on me, unless its something as egregious as 2010. You just need to keep in mind December climo, and hopefully 12/14 pans out so we are all on track or even above.

looks like 4-6" probable here by tomorrow afternoon, the hrrr finally got with the program and came way south.

So what you’re saying is that there are no opportunities for us in SNE, but every other part of the country has opportunities? I mean it’s literally snowing all around us. At some point Paul…it’s hard to escape everything. It could happen, but I don’t think it’s smart to say there aren’t any opportunities, or they(the opportunities) aren’t there.

At 9:02 AM EST, 1 NE Elizabeth City [Pasquotank Co, NC] CO-OP Observer reports Snow of 1.10 Inch

Honestly, I don't like how cold it has been the past month and a half....At some point, the switch is going to flip and my worry is it will be sometime mid to late January through February during our climo snowfall periods. I would almost rather have this time period be close to average heading into the holidays. Despite what averages show, my firewood burn rate has been at an all time high here, lol...Here is to me being wrong, I am quite ok with that and will be first to call myself out

Yeah, you can see where this is headed...they'll squeak into the playoffs and get blown out by the Rams (similar to TB in 2023).

Given the proper set up it could have been a SECS, but alas the Pac did not allow it. At that time we did have a - AO and a -NAO. But the PNA was upgly.

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VA loved the pattern in early December. The more I learn about this stuff the more I believe it's all just random luck lol

A simple trough progression brings winter right back to the conus. Winter is lurking and waiting to pounce. Of course if the trough digs in the west, winter won't be in east for a little while lol but there is nothing depressing about that plot in the big picture. Move the swath of zonal into Canada and we in some trouble. Serious trouble lol

yeah it's often warm and wet that week

Well said! One question I do have is there's been a lot of talk over the last several years of a fast flow. Not sure why we keep having that and why it's been such a major player for so long, but is there a chance that that will relax? Why are we having that fast flow happening over the last several winter seasons? Just trying to understand that part. Appreciate your insight as well

as long as its "cold enough" most of us older timers approve.

you're right. January 5th is the latest sunrise (~7:19 AM) then it gets earlier from there. Its like the 10th/11th when we start gaining by the minutes

Friday night And then Sunday morning believe at own risk lol

yeah if no snow please give me 55 degrees

I saw 10 in suburbia lititz on way into work.

With the exception of 2022, we always torch at Christmas time and it always rains on New Years Eve/day!

12z mesos coming in colder for tomorrow. Doesn’t really matter for Philly but for the LV/Poconos, one more tick colder and we could end up with a decent little surprise event.

I couldn’t agree more Don…I’ll take this and the good cold any day. Something will hit.

Actually after going through the last few winters...I would much rather than one shortwave every 10 days. There clearly is meteorological reasonings and physics involved as to why these fast flows with many shortwaves just don't pan out. I legit am starting to believe the mindset now of "rather having many shortwaves and hoping it pans out" is just a defensive mechanism to try and bring hope to something which just isn't there.

I had the times of the rises and sets, and I thought I remember seeing it was Jan 3rd or 4th…but the days are still shortening for anther couple weeks yet.

Happens every year around the 22 nd of December like clockwork. Not surprising really, although we have a stout - WPO there is too much Pac jet momentum. The Pac always rules as seen the past two weeks with a - AO and a - NAO and still nothing to show for it. I don't really care what folks say about climo as we had extreme cold air in Canada and a - AO and a - NAO, but in December you need a good PAC and a + PNA . We lost out because of the PNA.

HR93 on the 06z Euro puts light snow for everyone north of I-66 on Saturday? Would be a 1" - 3" event.