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Ju-ply 2026 Obs and Disco - Kicking it off with heat, humidity, and ... severe?


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2 hours ago, Layman said:

I've been curious about this for some time and had trouble discerning where a break-even is after initial purchase.  I know there were subsidies involved in a lot of installations that helped but I've also heard people mention panels degrade over time and/or there are maintenance costs to factor in (panel replacement, batteries, etc).

I imagine you've hit a break-even at some point during this stretch.  Do you happen to know when it was and how far ahead you are?

I can't even count how people I know who wish they had never gotten involved with solar power companies..

A staggering number of lawsuits have been filed against solar power companies.

I know a guy who worked for a solar power company and he refused to have solar panels installed on his home lol

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The NAM MOS is trying to Charlie Brown the bigger numbers on Friday.  

Not a lot but MET is just 95, BDL to MHT, which barely makes the 'big heat' cut.   For three straight days and 18 consecutive cycles, we were plugging 100s - we'll see if this late change is supported in general.  Looks like it's inserting spontaneously generating convective debris which cannot really be ruled out absolutely...

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1 hour ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

I can't even count how people I know who wish they had never gotten involved with solar power companies..

A staggering number of lawsuits have been filed against solar power companies.

I know a guy who worked for a solar power company and he refused to have solar panels installed on his home lol

I'm not happy.

I mean... I take some ethical value away for helping by trying to go green where I can, but humanity is completely and utterly fucked if they think they can solve anthropomorphically forced GW by means of capitalism and profit mongering - seeing a solution through a lens of greed. Good luck. And that is what this whole solar wave of install marketed as sistering to the grid bullshit is being exposed as. 

I was actually gapped by my company, which filed for bankruptcy and doesn't even exist anymore. I got a mailers ... I think some other outfit has absorbed them - but my electric bills were cut down so I'm willing to wait on investigation until I get these other home improvement scheduled projects completed - new kitchens make solar corruption look like a reach around at a Asian massage parlor but that's a different thing.  Anyway, there's clearly enough room up on that roof for another panel but they held back claiming some bs about them needed 3.5 feet of distance that I don't see on any other house down the street - so frankly am suss.  If I had that panel, I might not be paying as much.  I call that 'gapping' haha.

You know ... a digression here,  but that is what is a part of this whole Disclosure thing is about?  There's this ontological shock aspect about it, and the idea there is that the baser commodity that is the soil that all economic branches grow from, is in jeopardy because there is this shadow corporate-governance lording over technology that could provide free energy at the individual controls. Such a reality would completely freeze the gears of economics.  Oil becomes obsolete as a energy mechanism... solar? Gone.  Wind and renewables et al, albeit virtuous and perhaps even morally more sound than burning fossil fuels which are definitely a problem... all of it... the whole conflict and any economy that is rooted in oil at all.  Gone.  

Here's the sociological problem with that - which is very real, btw.  Economy is what allows societies to function 'over the horizons'   It's the unfailing faith in the value of the dollar ( or whatever native form of currency).  If zero-point energy ( being able to tap into the 10 e19th eV vacuum energy of the cosmos), and negative gravity propulsion systems ... the disruption to social order really is an ontological a-bomb. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I'm not happy.

I mean... I take some ethical value away for helping by trying to go green where I can, but humanity is completely and utterly fucked if they think they can solve anthropomorphically forced GW by means of capitalism and profit mongering - and that is what this whole solar wave of install marketed as sistering to the grid bullshit is being exposed as. 

I was actually gapped by my company, which filed for bankruptcy and doesn't even exist anymore. I got a mailers ... I think some other outfit has absorbed them - but my electric bills were cut down so I'm willing to wait on investigation until I get these other home improvement scheduled projects completed - new kitchens make solar corruption look like a reach around at a Asian massage parlor but that's a different thing.  Anyway, there's clearly enough room up on that roof for another panel but they held back claiming some bs about them needed 3.5 feet of distance that I don't see on any other room - so frankly and suss.  If I had that panel, I might not be paying as much.  I call that 'gapping' haha.

You know ... a digression here,  but that is what is a part of this whole Disclosure thing is about?  There's a this ontological shock aspect about it, and the idea there is that the baser commodity that is the soil that all economic branches grow from, is in jeopardy because there is this shadow corporate-governance lording over technology that could provide free energy at the individual controls. Such a reality would completely freeze the gears of economics.  Oil becomes obsolete as a energy mechanism... solar? Gone.  Wind and renewables et al, albeit virtuous and perhaps even morally more sound than burning fossil fuels which are definitely a problem... all of it... the whole conflict and any economy that is rooted in oil at all.  Gone.  

Here's the sociological problem with that - which is very real, btw.  Economy is what allows societies to function 'over the horizons'   It's the unfailing faith in the value of the dollar ( or whatever native form of currency).  If zero-point energy ( being able to tap into the 10 e19th eV vacuum energy of the cosmos), and negative gravity propulsion systems ... the disruption to social order really is an ontological a-bomb. 

 

TL;DR - You didn't break even? 

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9 minutes ago, Layman said:

Sorry to hear and understand your frustration.  Curious to hear what the other gentleman has to say for his 10 year old system.  My interest is solely in the economics of the thing as the math seemed to work for some but not others.

Yeah to be fair ... my property is small.  My square roof space is not aplenty.   But, my plan was to replace these hugely outmoded cash pig base board electric resisters with a heat compressor sys. These mini splits have been divine.  And they're about 8% of the electrical use compared to those base board runners. Resister are just money eaters. I also updated all the windows in the house. Between these moves, and the panels, which I feel could have been better with one more, I am paying substantially less. SO not a complete failure. But I just feel they edged my sys in their favor - which is frustrating.  It's supposed to be in my favor, and in favor of being responsible to the bigger problem facing everyone ...etc

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