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November 2025 General Discussion


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20 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said:

Meanwhile, the Canadian is much weaker and drier with this system, plus it is dry Sunday-Tuesday while the GFS has two more significant events.

It's really quite unfortunate that the GFS is not a very good model. The general model consensus is positive for snow and cold after Thanksgiving and that's all I really need. 

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2 hours ago, hawkeye_wx said:

Well, we are back to zero because the Euro just came in way different at the end of the week.  Last night the Euro looked like the GFS, but now it has suddenly pulled all the energy back into the western US and pulls a bunch of warm air up into Iowa so we get rain.

Luckily the Euro doesn't carry nearly as much weight anymore.

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6 hours ago, mannynyc said:

It's really quite unfortunate that the GFS is not a very good model. The general model consensus is positive for snow and cold after Thanksgiving and that's all I really need. 

 

3 hours ago, cyclone77 said:

Luckily the Euro doesn't carry nearly as much weight anymore.

So what *is* good? And has NWP really regressed that badly in recent years or it is just :weenie: perception (which I share)? If the former, why?

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Winter sets in here late Weds or early Thurs morning, 20cm/7.9" Thursday alone is agreed from both WUN and TWN. For over a week its shown snow every day after that maybe 5cm or less from the lake. This is about the same time as winter starting last year just before the epic dump.

I'll be glad to see this horrendous Nov in the back mirror, I much rather jump into deep winter with lots of snow. Today's dim light is my bane, its not dark enough to be cozy but not bright enough to cheer one up.

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Rain to wet snow, then it'll freeze up to a ice block. Typical early season snow. UP MI looking at 3ft in some spots with syn/LES combo. Here in town, I think 6" would be a big surprise. 4" max is my thinking. Warm lake. But higher terrain should do well. NWS DLH is good at overestimating. Most storms barely hit min guidance around TH. 

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6 hours ago, Brian D said:

Rain to wet snow, then it'll freeze up to a ice block. Typical early season snow. UP MI looking at 3ft in some spots with syn/LES combo. Here in town, I think 6" would be a big surprise. 4" max is my thinking. Warm lake. But higher terrain should do well. NWS DLH is good at overestimating. Most storms barely hit min guidance around TH. 

LES bands starting form. Getting some snow right now. Little earlier than expected, so possible 6"+ in town is possible. 

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45 minutes ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

Just flipped to snow here. Still thinking 3-4” with a solid ice/slush base from the 0.36” of rain earlier 

SPC Snow mesoscale discussion

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 Mesoscale Discussion 2233
   NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
   0532 PM CST Tue Nov 25 2025

   Areas affected...Central Minnesota into northern Wisconsin

   Concerning...Heavy snow 

   Valid 252332Z - 260530Z

   SUMMARY...Heavy snowfall with rates upwards of 1-2 inches/hour will
   spread east/northeast across central Minnesota into northern
   Wisconsin through the evening hours. Additionally, strong winds will
   continue to support areas of blizzard conditions, especially in open
   country and under heavier snow bands.

 

wind gusts to 40mph off the lake at Superior WI with snow

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