michsnowfreak

I thought you meant in a row sorry. Although 2020 was very cold btw.

If Christmas 2024 is warm, that will be 2 years lol. 2022 was frigid

Regardless of how cold it gets in January, there will be a warm up around/after Christmas following the next cold snap.

The current DTW Dec avg is 31.3°, not sure where you see 33.3°. The la ninas since 2017 have had more paltry Dec snowfall than usual, but also snowier mid to late winter than usual. Could be cyclical, not sure.

They are somewhat similar but I wouldn't say basically the same. Snow is much deeper in Canada and the temps couldn't be more different the last 2 decembers. The lack of snow in many locations is due to how dry it has been the last several weeks.

Agree. And I see nothing wrong with their thinking. There is absolutely no sign of a torch (the word torch has really taken on a new meaning from its origins of record warmth, now some people call +2 a torch lol). I really think this will continue to be an up and down winter. Im just waiting for it to become more active.

Averages are updated to 1991-2020. And wow I didnt realize it was running that mild further east. Its been very underwhelming synoptic wise - nearly all of our 4.0" so far has been lake effect or lake enhanced. Call it a quirk or call it whatever, but the low snow Decembers have been very oddly persistant since 2018 for most of the region (with a few small exceptions). Again tho, we have balanced it out and then some with snowy Jan and/or Febs. Weird, but thats the weather.

To each their own, Id take cold and dry over mild. The weather will likely continue up and down, hopefully it gets more active.

BAMwx is not even close to JB. Even if they may have a cold preference/bias, they explain things and their thinking. Its no different than the warm biased mets out there.

DTW got down to 10°. I thought this looked cool out my office window, the steam hitting the sun

This December so far has been cold and dry tho, very different from the mild ones. More than likely, the overall surplus of blah Decembers is probably just a run of bad luck, much like the recent overall run of good luck with Februarys.

There's been hardly any synoptic snow anywhere yet this winter, so I wouldn't call anything a cycle really. This young winter has been all about LES, and that's something Chicago rarely cashes in on. Period of 19th - 22nd may have something, but wayyy too early to do anything other than speculate.

You didn't have bare ground today lol. But I get your point.

Most of our 4.0" this season is lake effect, obviously outside the belts. Other nearby areas have done better. Plenty of days with flakes have made a nice atmosphere in an otherwise zzz pattern, but time to get some synoptic snow in here!

Squally with blowing snow overnight then below zero wind chills this morning. Picked up 1.3" here, 4.0" on the season. DTW had 1.2", so 3.7" on the season. Some areas (detroits immediate NW burns) got 2-3" overnight.